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Win98SE When is the hardware overkill?

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Reply 100 of 110, by Warlord

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The Serpent Rider wrote:

Cedar Mill can achieve 5Ghz though.

Maybe on LN2 🤣 but it would probably still get smoked by a Pentium M on LN2 at half the clock speed. 🤣

who does that tho? 😵

Reply 102 of 110, by havli

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5 GHz Cedar Mill is not that hard... with some luck you can get that clock on air or water cooling. But even then it is slow, especially in games. For example in my tests stock C2D E6300 (1.86 GHz) is 35% faster than 4.8 GHz P4 651.

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Reply 103 of 110, by Warlord

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higher clocks doesn't alleviate engineering malpractice of designing a 31 stage pipeline, compounded with bad branch prediction creating a marketecture to sell CPUs to consumers based on clock speed alone while ignoring poor thermal design and cpu efficiency. Shit CPU design. 🤣

Reply 104 of 110, by The Serpent Rider

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For example in my tests stock C2D E6300 (1.86 GHz) is 35% faster than 4.8 GHz P4 651.

I think it's not that bad. And, In all fairness, it needs to be compared to 2M cache Conroe.

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Reply 106 of 110, by The Serpent Rider

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It's optimised for multicore support benchmark though. GPU driver is also optimised.

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Reply 107 of 110, by agent_x007

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Multicore support and "driver optimisation" ?
I'd say it's irrelevant, since both Pentium 4 and Core 2 Duo's have exactly two threads, and they support almost the same instructions (Cedar Mill simply lacks SSSE3 while Core 2 - Hyper Threading).

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Reply 109 of 110, by agent_x007

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So ?
3DMark 11 should be optimised for both SMT and/or SMP (utilising whichever is available).
I just follow the rules : A Pentium 4 Cedar Mill and Core 2 test.

PS. You can see how 4 threaded OC'ed Pentium D's (ie. CPUs with SMP + SMT), are coping with two threaded Core 2s (SMP only).

EDIT : Older software is nice, but that would only make it harder for Pentium 4 to win (since Core 2 does a much better job at single threaded workloads).

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Reply 110 of 110, by Warlord

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Pentium Pro>P2>P3>tualatin>Pentium M>Conro>core micro architecture

Pentium 4 is not architecturally related to the above, its its own architecture.

were beating a dead horse thats been dead since 2003 with AMD murdered the Pentium 4 with the Atalon64, and then 2004 when Intel murdered the P4 with its own spiritual Successor to the tualatin.... the Pentium M.

The fact is P4 was only top performance for about 2 years and even that is disputed by people who were running SMP setups at the time in the early days of P4s where Dual PIIIs were still trashing them, and fast tualatin builds were still wrecking P4 in single thread.

Then about 2002 Intel held the crown but 1 year later got rekt by AMD hard and it wasn't until Conro came out intel even had a leg to stand on.