Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby user33331 » 2019-7-12 @ 09:17

Hmmm... I remember Voodoo 3-3000 was a cheap mid range graphic card back then.
I too think the first Geforce 256 and TNT 2 are faster.
When all graphics are cranked up and using fast movements Voodoo 3 starts to hickup on 1999+ games.
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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby dr.zeissler » 2019-7-12 @ 10:50

What render do you use? D3D OGL MiniGL
CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
ISA(3): Audician32-S2Dreamblaster - GusACE PCI(3): Monster3D- Intel NW AGP(1): 3dfx V3-3000
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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby dr.zeissler » 2019-7-12 @ 10:53

The voodoos have one BIG advantage. The run nativ supported and optimized (wickedgl) games MUCH better,
then the other cards of the same time period and even the generation after that.

There is only a very small drop in framerate between 640x480/800x600/1024x768 on the V3.

Though there is the 16BIT/22BIT color processing, but hey games from 1997-1999 do not really make that
difference if the game offers 16 and 32BIT colordeph.
CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby user33331 » 2019-7-12 @ 11:34

These work well: ( No slow down of any kind.)
- Hydro Thunder 1999.
- Sega Rally 1 1997.

Midtown Madness 2 only gives Direct3D option ?
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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby dr.zeissler » 2019-7-12 @ 11:37

I do not have seen these "slowdowns" on my machine. What tests should I do?
CPU: PII 133-333 MOBO: SNI-D981 RAM: 512- FDD: Dualfloppy 3,5"HD/5,25"HD - 3,5"HD - 5,25"DD ISA-Catweasel HDD: 2x40GB - DVD
ISA(3): Audician32-S2Dreamblaster - GusACE PCI(3): Monster3D- Intel NW AGP(1): 3dfx V3-3000
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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby user33331 » 2019-7-12 @ 11:43

I inserted all graphic option "very high" or "high" in Midtown Madness 2, visibility=full, traffic\pedestrials=full, 1024x768 resolution.
- Then drove recklessly full speed in city in full traffic and screen showed signs of slowing down.

This with Duron 650 Mhz and 512mb SDRAM.
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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby Bige4u » 2019-7-13 @ 09:49

Since the cpu fsb is 200mhz internally and if you were using just pc100 memory, it would be running at the default clock speed of 650mhz(100x6.5), but since you are using pc133, perhaps inadvertanly, the system is running overclocked w/o you knowing @ 865mhz(133x6.5) and running at the default voltage stressing the cpu causing your issues, the memory divider should have kicked in keeping you at 650mhz but with a faster fsb externally.

Check the BIOS settings to make sure everything is correct for your cpu/system, if not, choose the "default settings" option, then tweak what you need to manually and save on exit, when back in windows, use CPU-Z v1.76 to check the cpu/fsb/memory speeds and other assorted information.

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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby Shagittarius » 2019-7-13 @ 15:45

I run Half Life with a single Voodoo 2 on my P4 3.4Ghz without any real problems. I just went and looked at the Blast Pit section, and that is running at very nearly 30 FPS consistently. Are you using the miniGL driver or running D3D through it, cause that is a disaster.
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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby user33331 » 2019-7-17 @ 06:02

Is this true ?
https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads ... e2.878517/
"When you loaded the Via 4 in 1 drivers did you select the AGP Turbo mode? If you did not you would be running your AGP at 1X only. Turbo mode allows the choice of 2X or 4X (selectable in your BIOS)."

Voodoo 3-3000 AGP is =AGP 2x.
MSI MS-6340 v3 ( VIA KM133A chipset.)
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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby auron » 2019-7-17 @ 16:08

regarding GTA2: this is a case of game speed tied to framerate+craptastic internal framerate limiter, which is why i'm surprised at the comments saying "easily running it above 60fps", because doing that will make the game run way too fast. same applies to capping with vsync to 60hz or whatever monitor refresh rate.

when turning on the framerate limiter it runs the game at a fluctuating 25fps so it's no wonder this results in a juddery mess. my solution is to use a modern OS, grab the unofficial 11.44 version, insert the audio files from the original disc, force vsync on in the driver, then get msi afterburner and cap the framerate to 29.993 FPS in RTSS (assuming a 60hz monitor). this is the way to get consistent frame delivery with lowest possible input lag and correct game speed.

supposedly there is a way to adjust the internal frame cap via registry, so maybe it's possible to improve results on retro PCs as well. as-is though i don't get how anyone can claim the game runs smoothly out of the box and this video running on a high-end 1999 config should illustrate this.
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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby lost77 » 2019-7-17 @ 17:31

user33331 wrote:I inserted all graphic option "very high" or "high" in Midtown Madness 2, visibility=full, traffic\pedestrials=full, 1024x768 resolution.
- Then drove recklessly full speed in city in full traffic and screen showed signs of slowing down.

This with Duron 650 Mhz and 512mb SDRAM.


I think you are expecting too much of the Voodoo 3. 1024x768 with max settings was reserved for the top graphic cards of the day. For Midtown Madness 2 that would be the Geforce 2 Ultra.

I found a FPS score of a race I did a while ago. Recorded with FRAPS. This is the original Midtown Madness.

Athlon 700Mhz
Riva TNT2 Ultra
1024x768x16 Highest settings

44 FPS

There was certainly some dips down to maybe 25 fps or so.
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Re: Games that make Voodoo3-3000 16mb "cough" ?

Postby user33331 » 2019-7-18 @ 05:23

OK as a result I'll play games made before ←1999 with Voodoo 3 3000 AGP 16mb SDR:
- Half life 1 1998-99 (High detal causes some lags)
- Midtown Madness 1,2 1999,2000 (High detal causes some lags)

And use better AGP graphic cards 64-128mb DDR with after 1999→ games that need Win95/98:
- Such as Geforce 4,5,6(2002,03,04), ATI 9000-series(2002) that have Win95/98 drivers.
- Too bad that newer ATI like HD3650 512mb AGP(2007) don't have any Win95/98 drivers.
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