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First post, by Mamba

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Hello all,
I know that maybe this topic has been already assessed, but with this Covid-19 thing, there is little left to do...

I am setting up a dual P-IIIs system with a cuv4x-dls motheboard.

The chips are taking forever to reach me from Korea, so meanwhile I am gathering some vga.
My intention was to try to play 2003 to 2006 dx9 titles at 720p so I was thinking that a HD4670 would be the best card to pick.
Someonr said to me I was wrong, because on non sse2 chips it could be weak on old titles.

Don't know if it is true, anyway now I have (or I am about to receive) this:

Radeon 9800pro 128mb
Radeon X1950 pro 512mb ddr3
Radeon HD3650 512mb ddr2
Radeon HD4650 1gb ddr2
nVidia 7900gs 512mb

Any advice?
Could you point me to the relative best driver to be used combined to a proper via 4in1?
SO will be xp sp3 (very light version).

Last edited by Mamba on 2020-03-21, 06:36. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 3 of 12, by computerguy08

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You should first see which of the cards you have are compatible with your setup (by actually trying them once your CPUs arrive), certain AGP motherboard can be picky sometimes.

For me, it's always been a process of trial and error until I find the perfect setup. I would begin with the X1950 PRO, since it has fast DDR3 memory, and go from there (assuming that your mb works with it).

kolderman wrote on 2020-03-21, 06:56:

GTX560Ti or HD5850.

I don't think any of these cards are AGP (thus not compatible with his mb).

Reply 4 of 12, by Obi Wan Kenobi

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3dfx Voodoo5 6000 would be nice, but hard to get hands on, but a Voodoo5 5500 GP 64MB can be fun, or you let osckhar mod it to a Voodoo5 5900 AGP 128MB hehe.
Plenty of options if you don't want a 3dfx card an ATi Radeon 9800 XT or X800 XT PE AGP 256MB GDDR3 is an idea or a GeForce 5950 Ultra or GeForce 6800 Ultra AGP 256MB GDDR3 an idea?

Something in that range I'd use.

Rock on & Fly Safe

Reply 5 of 12, by Mamba

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Thank you for the tips,
Actually I already own the cards listed, I need to know which driver to use with them and if it is for real that a HD3xxx or HD4xxx is a drawback for a Tualatin system on dx9 games (xp).
This is very strange to me.

Reply 6 of 12, by red-ray

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Mamba wrote on 2020-03-19, 20:40:

nVidia 7900gs 512mb

I would opt for this and the latest driver is https://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults … spx/57493/en-us

Reply 9 of 12, by Mamba

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imi wrote on 2020-03-21, 18:02:

I kind of feel like that's the wrong system for games from 2006... but sure ^^ I'd probably go with the X1950 pro too.

Of course it is.
I want to push the system just for curiosity.
As soon as all items will arrive I will post some benchmarks.
It could take forever though...

Funny thing is, I sent a motherboard to Germany on monday and it arrived yesterday.

Reply 10 of 12, by Standard Def Steve

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I use a 6800GT on my Tualatin board. It's only a single-CPU system, but it is DDR based and overclocked to 1.63GHz. The Radeon 9800 Pro/XT and 6800GT are easily the best cards for a really fast Tualatin system. Why?

-Both are 100% stable and very fast. The older drivers that are available for both cards have low CPU overhead.
-The 6800GT is definitely faster in newer games like Doom 3, NFSMW, FarCry at 1280x1024 or higher. I personally game at 1600x1200 on this machine. However:
-If you game at 1024x768, the CPU becomes enough of a bottleneck (especially if it's not overclocked) that the 9800Pro is just as fast as the 6800GT. Maybe even a bit faster if you use older drivers, such as Catalyst 4.12. As an added bonus, the 9800Pro is able to offload more video processing chores than the 6800GT. For example, ATI's shader-assisted WMV-HD decoding allows my PIII-S @ 1.63GHz to handle 1080p WMV-HD video. With a 6800GT, 720p is as high as it'll go (software-based decoding). The 9800 Pro's MPEG-2 acceleration is excellent, too. 2% CPU usage whilst playing a DVD!
-The Radeon X1950 Pro is also 100% stable in this machine, but the higher CPU overhead causes it to run slower than the 6800GT, even at 1600x1200. An Athlon 64 would really allow this card to stretch its legs.
-The HD 3850 suffers from the same high CPU overhead as the x1950Pro, AND it's picky with drivers. You don't want to pair your P3 with this card.
-Any bridged nVidia chip (7800GS, 7900GS, 7950GT) is a no-go for 3D accelerated games on this platform (VIA Apollo Pro 266T). You'll get some very nasty artifacts as soon as you fire up a game. My 7800GS does work properly on my i815 board, but it's kinda pointless to stick such a powerful card in a system with a dinky 512MB memory limit.

94 MHz NEC VR4300 | SGI Reality CoPro | 8MB RDRAM | Each game gets its own SSD - nooice!

Reply 11 of 12, by Mamba

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Thank you for your explanation. Do you think that a dual cpu set up would help reducing overhead negative impact?

I was in doubt to get a x850 agp also, but I would never tell that the 9800pro would be the best of the group...

Reply 12 of 12, by Mamba

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Looking at this discussion:

Ideal video card for dual 1.4ghz Piii-s?

Makes me feel it will be up to me to test and see myself what will happen with all cards.
Too many people saying opposite things...

At least I would like some guidance on the video drivers to be used on a Via apollo133a chipset platform.