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First post, by Jackhead

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Hi!

im new here and found the forum after researching the MT32. Because of old Hardware im looking for some answers.

I really like the P2B Mainboard from Asus for many reasons. But i have a problem with running 3x 256MB. Bios and Win shows only 3x128MB.
CPU-Z show me anything correct 3x 256MB. So i got first in mind about a bios update but i use the latest.

Now my question, is here maybe someone using a P2B with 3x256MB without problems? When yes what Rev has the board, hardware specs?

Here my specs from the PC:

Asus P2B Rev 1.12 ( FSB 133, 7.5 Multi) Bios 1.014 Beta3 with hardware monitor (latest from Asus site)
Pentium 3 Slot1 1GHz Coppermine 133MHz FSB
3x 256MB PC-133 ECC ds

Windows 98SE

regards
Chris

Dos 6.22: Asus VL/I-486SV2GX4 Rev 2.0 1Mb L2 - AMD A5x86 X5 ADZ 133MHz @160MHz - 64MB RAM - CT2230 - GUS ACE - MPU-401 AT - ET4000W32P
Win98SE: Asus P5K-WS - E8600 @ 4,5GHz - Strange God Voodoo 5 6000 PCI @ 66MHz PCI-X - 2GB DDR2 1066 - Audigy 2 ZS

Reply 1 of 7, by pentiumspeed

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The memory is high density, (8 chips) one rank, as such board detected ram as 128M each. Windows 98SE will corrupt and crash on 768MB. Keep to 512MB maximum is strongly advised.

What you need is low density memory with 16 chips total on each module.

https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Micron-MT16LSDT3264AG … AoAAOSwDCFdp3JP

Make sure seller shows both sides of the memory that they are 8 chips per side for 16 chips total.

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 2 of 7, by Jackhead

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thats it, thank you for the help! Than i go with 512MB lowdensity.

Dos 6.22: Asus VL/I-486SV2GX4 Rev 2.0 1Mb L2 - AMD A5x86 X5 ADZ 133MHz @160MHz - 64MB RAM - CT2230 - GUS ACE - MPU-401 AT - ET4000W32P
Win98SE: Asus P5K-WS - E8600 @ 4,5GHz - Strange God Voodoo 5 6000 PCI @ 66MHz PCI-X - 2GB DDR2 1066 - Audigy 2 ZS

Reply 6 of 7, by dionb

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Avoid all this talk of "low density" and "high density". One year's high density is the next year's low density. In particular, 128Mb SDRAM chips were at various times referred to as both, so prepare to get even more confused if you try to follow those terms.

It's much simpler if you just follow the numbers (and stay sharp with bits vs Bytes). i440BX has three limitations: 1) max 128Mb per chip 2) min 8b width per chip 3) max 2x 64b width per DIMM. So, max DIMM size is 16 2x64/8=16 chips of 128Mb each, totalling 256MB.

If you attempt to use DIMMs with higher chip density, the board will only be able to address the first 128Mb per chip. So your 256MB DIMM probably has 8 chips with 256Mb, which leads to 8 x 128Mb = 128MB being used. Your CPU-Z reads the SPD EPROM on the DIMM which correctly identifies it as a 256MB DIMM, but the i440BX can't do a thing with that.

512MB has 16 chips of 256Mb each, so would be addressed as 16 x 128Mb = 256MB. It would work, but you'd waste half the capacity. Far better to go for for 256MB DIMMs with 16 chips, as pentiumspeed recommends.

One possible pitfall: there were two kinds of 256MB DIMMs with 128Mb chips:
1) Electrically double-sided with 'regular' 16Mx8 chips
2) Electrically single-sided with 'Via only' 32Mx4 chips (even though it has 16 chips, physically located on both side of the DIMM)
The latter aren't really Via only, more "anything but Intel" - remember the "minimally 8b width per chip" restriction. A BX board won't even boot with one of these DIMMs.

So: go for 256BM DIMMs with 16 chips, each with 16Mx8 structure. And you're safe.

Reply 7 of 7, by pentiumspeed

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Yes, I have seen this happen as I played with stuff back in the day when I had older boards similar to 440 BX. I had PII 350 and P2B computer back in the day (around 2000, when they were bit older stock were selling off cheap), when a guy donated me a new PII PC for my services (mostly repairs) rendered to him. Barter system.

I did try with my Dell SE440BX-2 board too not too long (around fall of 2019) and saw same thing with 8 chip 256MB modules, sees it as 128MB.

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.