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First post, by Planet-Dune

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Yesterday I tried to fix a Commodore PC 40-3. The problem it was having is it kept rebooting endlessly after the initial ram check. I have another PC 40-3 so figured I would switch the power supply and see if that had any effect. As the main power supply cable to the motherboard is pretty short I was forced to fully de-assemble the faulty one. In the process I noted the Dallas RTC chip on the board (which was empty and was planned to be replaced), to check it out I popped it off and then back into its socket. Connected the power and turned on the machine, ever since the PC does not boot at all anymore. The power supply works, the lights on the case work but it gives nothing on screen and doesn't seem to do any kind of post.

After checking some pictures I came to the conclusion I reconnected the Dallas chip the wrong way. My question, as I really did not do anything else to the board, is it possible to damage the motherboard by having the RTC battery chip connected upside down? I did note the amount of pins is not the same on both sides so I am guessing that, even though the board allows you to insert it wrong, the input/outputs are not the same.

There was no visual indication something happened (no smell, sound, caps popping etc).. added some pictures, in short, is it possible or very unlikely and something else happened?

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Reply 3 of 10, by Planet-Dune

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derSammler wrote on 2020-04-18, 11:11:

You probably just fried the Dallas chip and the system will not do anything without a working one (that's quite common).

Thanks for the reply. I have been looking around for replacements (that don't cost €20 each), are these still being produced (or something that could be used instead). I don't really want to buy "old ones" as the odds are they won't last long even if they might still work. Do you (or anyone else) know where to get some?

Reply 4 of 10, by derSammler

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You say you have another PC 40-3, so why don't you try the Dallas chip from that one?

They are still produced but most with a current date code are actually China fakes. Get the cheapest one you can find and crack it open to attach your own battery.

Reply 5 of 10, by Benedikt

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Planet-Dune wrote on 2020-04-18, 11:33:
derSammler wrote on 2020-04-18, 11:11:

You probably just fried the Dallas chip and the system will not do anything without a working one (that's quite common).

Thanks for the reply. I have been looking around for replacements (that don't cost €20 each), are these still being produced (or something that could be used instead). I don't really want to buy "old ones" as the odds are they won't last long even if they might still work. Do you (or anyone else) know where to get some?

They are still being produced. Dallas has been bought by Maxim, but that is literally the only difference. They still use the Dallas brand name with the same white-on-black alarm clock icon.
The DS12C887+ that I bought a couple of months ago has 1933 written on it, which I interpret as 33rd week of 2019, i.e. brand new. I got it from Mouser for ~10€.

(And yes, I very strongly believe that they ship genuine parts.)

Reply 6 of 10, by Planet-Dune

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Benedikt wrote on 2020-04-18, 11:47:
They are still being produced. Dallas has been bought by Maxim, but that is literally the only difference. They still use the […]
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Planet-Dune wrote on 2020-04-18, 11:33:
derSammler wrote on 2020-04-18, 11:11:

You probably just fried the Dallas chip and the system will not do anything without a working one (that's quite common).

Thanks for the reply. I have been looking around for replacements (that don't cost €20 each), are these still being produced (or something that could be used instead). I don't really want to buy "old ones" as the odds are they won't last long even if they might still work. Do you (or anyone else) know where to get some?

They are still being produced. Dallas has been bought by Maxim, but that is literally the only difference. They still use the Dallas brand name with the same white-on-black alarm clock icon.
The DS12C887+ that I bought a couple of months ago has 1933 written on it, which I interpret as 33rd week of 2019, i.e. brand new. I got it from Mouser for ~10€.

(And yes, I very strongly believe that they ship genuine parts.)

Seems "mouser" is based in the Netherlands which is pretty close (Belgium here), but can't seem to locate the Dallas (or Maxim) DS1287 RTC chip on the site.

Reply 7 of 10, by Benedikt

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Well, to quote Maxim:

The DS12885, DS12887, and DS12C887 real-time clocks (RTCs) are designed to be direct replacements for the DS1285 and DS1287.

I.e. you won't be able to get a DS1287, but a compatible substitute.
And IIRC, the Mouser I'm talking about ships everything from Texas.

Reply 8 of 10, by Planet-Dune

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Benedikt wrote on 2020-04-18, 12:04:
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Well, to quote Maxim:

The DS12885, DS12887, and DS12C887 real-time clocks (RTCs) are designed to be direct replacements for the DS1285 and DS1287.

I.e. you won't be able to get a DS1287, but a compatible substitute.
And IIRC, the Mouser I'm talking about ships everything from Texas.

So I guess it is one of these I need:

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Reply 9 of 10, by Benedikt

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Yes, and I assume that the DS12887+ is the one you need, but don't take my word for it. The datasheet will probably tell you which component it is a substitute for.

Reply 10 of 10, by Horun

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If your board has a CMOS clear jumper you want a 12887A or 12C887A, if your board does not have a CMOS clear jumper then a non- A variant will work just fine.

RAM Clear Function (DS12885, DS12887A, andDS12C887A)

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