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First post, by Unrealcpu

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So i have my p233 up and running and want to be able to get my hard drive to use the maximum size using my SATA to IDE converter. I also have a IDE to SD card reader on the primary and secondary is the SATA to IDE converter using 1tb WD

Can someone answer these questions

1. I understand I am limited to the bios hard drive size? My bios recognizes 65gb for the 1gb , however my 64GB SD card is only recognizing at 8gb

2. Is there any way to use the maximum size of the 1tb by doing several 128gb partitions when at the install for win98se ?
3. I assume I can fix my 64gb SD card by reformating during windows install?

4. Ez2boot what is the highest this loader ontop of my bios can recognize for hdd space?

5. My mother board is a socket 7 gateway mobo with 2 usb ports , but wow the bios sucks if this can only recognize 65gb for win 98. Am i supposed to just make several images with different genre of games on different hard drives?

6. What mobo can I buy socket 7 p233mhz so I can at least recognize 128gb or more or maybe use a hacked bios to use a 1tb hard drive and partition it to 128gb?

7. am i missing something here when it comes to programs and new methods to create a win98 image to see my entire hdd size?

Thanks

Reply 1 of 46, by darry

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Look at this thread .
Re: Booting from SSD with sata2ide adapter on Asus P3V4X / Apollo Pro 133

and the thread linked within it .

The info about disk sizes applies to IDE, SATA, IDE TO SD and IDE TO CF .

Reply 2 of 46, by pentiumspeed

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The real size is 127GB max per ONE drive for win98. Anything larger leads to corruptions and crashes. I use 120GB or less drives for 98SE.

Pentium/MMX class motherboards can be anywhere from 4 to 8GB max per drive, that's bios limitation.

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 3 of 46, by darry

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pentiumspeed wrote on 2020-05-16, 23:04:

The real size is 127GB max per ONE drive for win98. Anything larger leads to corruptions and crashes. I use 120GB or less drives for 98SE.

There are patches for that (see my previous post) though, to be honest 127GB is a lot of space for Windows 98 .

pentiumspeed wrote on 2020-05-16, 23:04:

Pentium/MMX class motherboards can be anywhere from 4 to 8GB max per drive, that's bios limitation.

For some boards, there are patched BIOSes that bring that up to 127GB, but I would not suggest experimenting with those if you do not have the means to recover from a bad flash . A safer alternative to that is a DDO (Dynamic Disk Overlay) . Hard driver manufacturers used to provide those . Another, IMHO simpler, alternative is a PCI IDE or SATA controller that handles larger drives .

EDIT : Do not trust the BIOS detected size of 65GB on an older board, you will likely end up with disk corruption .

EDIT2 : It is unclear to me whether Easy2Boot would help at all for that BIOS limitation . You would need to ask whoever put it together .

Reply 4 of 46, by Unrealcpu

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So with all of phils computer lab videos

I should just install windows either on a hard drive or sd card reader with a very low capacity , lets say 8gb and then put all my games on CD? and or run them off CD or copy to the hard drive?

What is the best way to play my respository of games from 1987 to 1998 about 250gb?

Reply 5 of 46, by darry

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Unrealcpu wrote on 2020-05-16, 23:45:

So with all of phils computer lab videos

I should just install windows either on a hard drive or sd card reader with a very low capacity , lets say 8gb and then put all my games on CD? and or run them off CD or copy to the hard drive?

What is the best way to play my respository of games from 1987 to 1998 about 250gb?

That's for you to decide .
I chose the patching + PCI controller route with a 500GB SSD split into 120GB partitions . You could do that .
I also have a multi-terabyte NAS that is accessible from Windows 98 SE without issues . You could use a NAS or a network share on a modern PC .
You could use CDs (for some games you will probably will have to anyway) .
You could use multiple 8GB SD cards .

It all depends on how much effort (and potentially money) you want to put into it up front versus during use .

Reply 6 of 46, by Unrealcpu

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I am thinking just have two IDE to SD Card readers one on primary and the second just be 128gb sd cards for games of different genre . I would have to swap the micro sd cards depending what I would want to look for in the genre

Since CD rom and games , from the past 90-to about 2000 is about 350gb I would think including cd rom games

Reply 7 of 46, by darry

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Unrealcpu wrote on 2020-05-17, 01:17:

I am thinking just have two IDE to SD Card readers one on primary and the second just be 128gb sd cards for games of different genre . I would have to swap the micro sd cards depending what I would want to look for in the genre

Since CD rom and games , from the past 90-to about 2000 is about 350gb I would think including cd rom games

Since your motherboard BIOS does not support large drives, you will need either a PCI
disk controller with a BIOS that does, DDO software or a patch for motherboard's BIOS . There is no way around that .

EDIT: Otherwise, you will either be unable to access the full128GB capacity, have data corruption or both .

Reply 8 of 46, by pentiumspeed

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Never mind, Phils wrote this:

https://www.philscomputerlab.com/windows-98-m … e-capacity.html

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 9 of 46, by darry

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pentiumspeed wrote on 2020-05-17, 03:51:

Not 128GB, Real issue is 127GB max. The 1GB extra will get you in trouble even.

Cheers,

It's a 430TX board , I doubt that BIOS even does more than 32GB correctly .
EDIT: The exact 28-BIT LBA limit is 137,438,952,960 bytes . See attached DOC . Again, the actual BIOS limite here is likely much smaller .

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Reply 10 of 46, by pentiumspeed

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darry wrote on 2020-05-17, 03:54:
pentiumspeed wrote on 2020-05-17, 03:51:

Not 128GB, Real issue is 127GB max. The 1GB extra will get you in trouble even.

Cheers,

It's a 430TX board , I doubt that BIOS even does more than 32GB correctly .

🤣, you got my old text but I checked online before posted and had to correct myself.

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 11 of 46, by darry

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pentiumspeed wrote on 2020-05-17, 03:57:
darry wrote on 2020-05-17, 03:54:
pentiumspeed wrote on 2020-05-17, 03:51:

Not 128GB, Real issue is 127GB max. The 1GB extra will get you in trouble even.

Cheers,

It's a 430TX board , I doubt that BIOS even does more than 32GB correctly .

🤣, you got my old text but I checked online before posted and had to correct myself.

Cheers,

No problem, that said , I still think the cheapest and most reliable solution is still a PCI controller.

Questio for the OP, what are the exact brand and model of this board ?

Reply 13 of 46, by darry

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Another option is using an XTIDE BIOS .

See https://code.google.com/archive/p/xtideuniver … kis/Manual.wiki

But on a relatively modern PCI board, using a PCI controller is probably simpler, more reliable and cheaper .

Reply 15 of 46, by Unrealcpu

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What corruption would I get? I do not think I did my win 98se install correctly , it did install but now it asked me for win 98 se files after the 2nd or 3rd reboot because my vid driver.

I am sure I just installed it wrong and removed the cd when I was not supposed too?

Maybe someone can recommend a good win 98 se link?

Reply 17 of 46, by Unrealcpu

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I do have a k6 III + 450mhz at 2.0 v

I thought the p233 was the best for set mul and retro gamming since you would get more of a accurate 386 vs the k6III?

and that the p233mhz is better overall as a retro machine?

Reply 18 of 46, by Unrealcpu

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This IDE controller seems to work

https://www.amazon.com/2-Port-Controller-Sili … B000BU7XNG?th=1

however if I put a 1TB hard drive on this thing , can I partition it to multiple 64gb or 128gb partitions during the win98se setup? This would be a better route vs having to swap microsd cards...

Reply 19 of 46, by darry

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Unrealcpu wrote on 2020-05-17, 05:40:

What corruption would I get? I do not think I did my win 98se install correctly , it did install but now it asked me for win 98 se files after the 2nd or 3rd reboot because my vid driver.

I am sure I just installed it wrong and removed the cd when I was not supposed too?

Maybe someone can recommend a good win 98 se link?

The typical corruption scenario when using a disk size greater than what the BIOS supports occurs when writing data past the supported limit (8.4GB, for example) and having that DATA end up at the beginning of the drive, rendering the drive unbootable and its files inaccessible .