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First post, by script-fu

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I have been reading for days trying to figure out what would be the second or third best card for this rig below. I cannot afford 3dfx so it's between Nvidia and ATI I know. I have read about the newer FX5900's??? Slowing down the CMOS and that worries me. I would rather stay away from anything like that. I am not overclocking this rig as I have computers all over the darn place mostly w/ABIT motherboards. P4's 757's 939's AM2's 775's then the newer dell & hp's etc. I just want as much power as i can without spending a fortune. I was thinking about multi boot with maybe msdos/3.11/win95/win98/me/vista. I have always used (system commander 9) for this and have had great results with a lot of OS's. I could also just keep everything on separate SD cards which is probably the best idea. I also chose this specific motherboard because of the price and most importantly the ISA slots. I own a rom burner that needs an ISA slot. Anyway...

Win98SE Build
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Gigabyte GA-6BXC Rev 2.0 ( v.F1 to v.F4C Beta Bios 10-10-20 ) AGP 2x w/ voltage jumpers for 3dfx
Celeron 1400/256/100/1.5 SL64V w/ Generic SOCKET 370 CELERON TO SLOT 1 CPU ADAPTER https://tinyurl.com/yydr7zrb
256MB Stick of PC100
Nvidia Quadro 2 MXR Video Card 32 MB AGP 4X in 2X Slot
Creative Sound Blaster Live CT4760 PCI w/ Live Drive CT4860
Seagate FireCuda 1000GB Internal 3.5" (ST1000DX002) SSHD w/PATA IDE to SATA Adapter
SD to IDE HD Adaptor w/8GB & 32GB SD Cards - Win98SE on Both
Plextor PX-716A IDE DVDRW Black Trim / I need to find the White Trim still
Kenwood UCR-411 True-X 72X IDE CDROM
Echo Star 580W 20+4 Power Supply

Here are some random cards that i have run across on eBay which would be my only source ATM.
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PNY NVIDIA GeForce FX 5500 128MB DDR SDRAM AGP 4x/8x
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX440-8X 64MB AGP PC Graphics Card
ATI RADEON 9800 Pro, (128 MB) AGP Video Card
Asus GeForce 3 V8200 Deluxe 64MB AGP Video Card
Matrox Millennium G400 32MB SGRAM AGP
EVGA nVidia Geforce 4 MX 440 64MB AGP 4x/8x

Thanks

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Reply 2 of 9, by darry

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I have an Fx5900XT in a 440BX machine (Asus P3B-F)with no issues. What's that CMOS slowdown thing you mention ?

IMHO, aGeforce FX 5900 family member or a Geforce 4 TI 4200, 4400 or 4600 would be a fine choice.

Reply 3 of 9, by Doornkaat

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I'd recommend a GeForce4 Ti 4400/4600 or a GeForce FX 5700 (Ultra). Anything above that is bottlenecked too far by the CPU imho.
Some questions regarding your setup if I may:

Celeron 1400/256/100/1.5 SL64V w/ Generic SOCKET 370 CELERON TO SLOT 1 CPU ADAPTER

How far did you modify the slotket for this to work? Or did it just work out of the box?

Seagate FireCuda 1000GB Internal 3.5" (ST1000DX002) SSHD w/PATA IDE to SATA Adapter

Basically the same question: Did it work out of the box or are you using some DDO software?

Reply 4 of 9, by pentiumspeed

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Geforce FX 5600, be sure it is real one, not LE or V and is full 128bit (8 ram chips) allows you to hit good price but can use older drivers and on par with Geforce4 ti4200 in performance. 5700 requires less compatible game newer driver, FX5500 is no faster than a 128 bit FX5200 and both are low end and both can have 64 bits memory which slow you down so much, don't buy these.
Geforce4 MX440 (not 8x, not compatible with older drivers due to newer GPU. but not as fast as Ti 4200 and FX 5600, on par with Geforce2 GTS for 128 bit Geforce4 MX440.
Geforce3 is mostly Ti 300 these days that you are looking at price alone but still good. The Ti only is the mid end. Ti 500 is high end.

Keep the Quadro2 MXR, it is slightly faster than Geforce2 MX400. Very good choice and most compatible but Celeron 1400 is too fast and get choked by this, but keep this till saved enough to afford Ti 4200 or FX 5900 XT.

No ATi, no Matrox, they lack compatibility with earlier games and only supports late games and these two doesn't support DOS games properly.

Cheers,

Great Northern aka Canada.

Reply 5 of 9, by script-fu

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Thanks to you guys i think i just stole a video card on eBay.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/PNY-TECHNO ... e&rt=nc

Gb GA-6BXC r.2.0 b.F4C, PIII 1.0GHz SL5QV, 768MB PC133, GF Ti 4200 64MB, VD3 2K, CT4760 & CT4860 AGP 2X
Abit KN8, 64 3400+ (754), 2x1GB G.SKILL PC3200, GF 6800GT 256MB AGP 8X
Abit Fatal1ty AN9 32X, 64 x2 6000+, 2X2GB PC6400, 8800 GTS 320MB x2 SLI

Reply 6 of 9, by script-fu

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Baoran wrote on 2020-10-11, 19:51:

I have similar system with Geforce 4 TI 4600, but if you can't find that one TI 4200 is almost as good.

Thanks for the tip Baoran!

Gb GA-6BXC r.2.0 b.F4C, PIII 1.0GHz SL5QV, 768MB PC133, GF Ti 4200 64MB, VD3 2K, CT4760 & CT4860 AGP 2X
Abit KN8, 64 3400+ (754), 2x1GB G.SKILL PC3200, GF 6800GT 256MB AGP 8X
Abit Fatal1ty AN9 32X, 64 x2 6000+, 2X2GB PC6400, 8800 GTS 320MB x2 SLI

Reply 7 of 9, by script-fu

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darry wrote on 2020-10-11, 20:02:

I have an Fx5900XT in a 440BX machine (Asus P3B-F)with no issues. What's that CMOS slowdown thing you mention ?

IMHO, aGeforce FX 5900 family member or a Geforce 4 TI 4200, 4400 or 4600 would be a fine choice.

I was reading here i think on the forums the other day about a FX card not playing nice with a cmos. I will try to search out the post and see if i can find it. So far no luck with google. Humm

Gb GA-6BXC r.2.0 b.F4C, PIII 1.0GHz SL5QV, 768MB PC133, GF Ti 4200 64MB, VD3 2K, CT4760 & CT4860 AGP 2X
Abit KN8, 64 3400+ (754), 2x1GB G.SKILL PC3200, GF 6800GT 256MB AGP 8X
Abit Fatal1ty AN9 32X, 64 x2 6000+, 2X2GB PC6400, 8800 GTS 320MB x2 SLI

Reply 8 of 9, by script-fu

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Doornkaat wrote on 2020-10-11, 20:06:
I'd recommend a GeForce4 Ti 4400/4600 or a GeForce FX 5700 (Ultra). Anything above that is bottlenecked too far by the CPU imho. […]
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I'd recommend a GeForce4 Ti 4400/4600 or a GeForce FX 5700 (Ultra). Anything above that is bottlenecked too far by the CPU imho.
Some questions regarding your setup if I may:

Celeron 1400/256/100/1.5 SL64V w/ Generic SOCKET 370 CELERON TO SLOT 1 CPU ADAPTER

How far did you modify the slotket for this to work? Or did it just work out of the box?

Seagate FireCuda 1000GB Internal 3.5" (ST1000DX002) SSHD w/PATA IDE to SATA Adapter

Basically the same question: Did it work out of the box or are you using some DDO software?

I just ordered that cheap slotket adaptor the other day. I figured for $10.67 if it doesn't work i didn't lose much as i already have a bunch of socket 370 cpu's here with 100FSB & 133FSB. Right now I have a regular 600E slot 1 PIII installed. So i will need to let you know how this new setup go's as i'm not spending 100+ on a slocket with some jumpers on it.

I have already had a run at this new drive with maxblast and the largest partition it would allow me was 137GB?. It choked and puked in my cmos even tho it allowed that much room to begin with. So i went back into maxblast and split the partition into two and it still didn't like it. So i played with sea tools for a little bit before i hit the bed. I went back to the drive this morning and hooked it up USB. Plugged it into my win10 and erased the work i did yesterday. I just deleted the partitions and recovered the whole terabyte. On the gigabyte website it says my current beta bios supports 75GB. So i'm going to take another run at it and haven't decided yet the way i will set it up. I'm thinking my System Commander 9 software might be the best approach.

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Gb GA-6BXC r.2.0 b.F4C, PIII 1.0GHz SL5QV, 768MB PC133, GF Ti 4200 64MB, VD3 2K, CT4760 & CT4860 AGP 2X
Abit KN8, 64 3400+ (754), 2x1GB G.SKILL PC3200, GF 6800GT 256MB AGP 8X
Abit Fatal1ty AN9 32X, 64 x2 6000+, 2X2GB PC6400, 8800 GTS 320MB x2 SLI

Reply 9 of 9, by script-fu

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pentiumspeed wrote on 2020-10-11, 20:10:
Geforce FX 5600, be sure it is real one, not LE or V and is full 128bit (8 ram chips) allows you to hit good price but can use […]
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Geforce FX 5600, be sure it is real one, not LE or V and is full 128bit (8 ram chips) allows you to hit good price but can use older drivers and on par with Geforce4 ti4200 in performance. 5700 requires less compatible game newer driver, FX5500 is no faster than a 128 bit FX5200 and both are low end and both can have 64 bits memory which slow you down so much, don't buy these.
Geforce4 MX440 (not 8x, not compatible with older drivers due to newer GPU. but not as fast as Ti 4200 and FX 5600, on par with Geforce2 GTS for 128 bit Geforce4 MX440.
Geforce3 is mostly Ti 300 these days that you are looking at price alone but still good. The Ti only is the mid end. Ti 500 is high end.

Keep the Quadro2 MXR, it is slightly faster than Geforce2 MX400. Very good choice and most compatible but Celeron 1400 is too fast and get choked by this, but keep this till saved enough to afford Ti 4200 or FX 5900 XT.

No ATi, no Matrox, they lack compatibility with earlier games and only supports late games and these two doesn't support DOS games properly.

Cheers,

Great info and thank you for your time. In fact thank you to all who posted.

@pentiumspeed Yea the little Quadro2 is doing okay and i would have killed for that card in 1998. What's cool is I still have my TNT 16MB & the TNT2 32MB from back then. I just wanted a little more pep than the 32 MB video cards have to offer. That little TI 4200 DX8 will be a nice upgrade for this level machine.

I already have a winXpPro P4 machine that has two 8800 GTS's in SLI on a Abit Fatal1ty AA8XE motherboard. Then I have two ABIT Fatal1ty AN9 32X AM2 and on and on and on...

So yea i'm pretty happy now on the PIII build thanks to yous guys.

Gb GA-6BXC r.2.0 b.F4C, PIII 1.0GHz SL5QV, 768MB PC133, GF Ti 4200 64MB, VD3 2K, CT4760 & CT4860 AGP 2X
Abit KN8, 64 3400+ (754), 2x1GB G.SKILL PC3200, GF 6800GT 256MB AGP 8X
Abit Fatal1ty AN9 32X, 64 x2 6000+, 2X2GB PC6400, 8800 GTS 320MB x2 SLI