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First post, by CBM

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hi

I have this ISA hardcard

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and I found out that I need a driver in order to write to it, I can read from it without a driver

https://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/maxtor/en … ard_jumpers.pdf

atdosxl.sys

but I cant find it anywhere

according to the documentation:

"Must be installed in CONFIG.SYS as:
DEVICE=ATDOSXL.SYS"

Main PC SPECS:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Powercolor Red Devil Radeon RX 5700 XT
RAM: 8GB*4 Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz
Motherboard: ASUS Prime B450M-A
PSU: Corsair RM850

Reply 1 of 12, by weedeewee

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Normally you do not need any driver for that card.
Just set it to a free rom address & irq, and plug it into a pc without any harddrives.
This should make it show up as a drive in fdisk under dos.

edit: looking at the photo, your card is currently set for rom bios address CC00, IO 170, DS 1? and IRQ 11
edit2: DS is drive select set to second drive.
edit3: Just set it to the default settings, plug it into a harddriveless computer and if an OS is present on the disk, and the disk is still working the computer should boot from it. If not, you should be able to install an OS on it. No driver required for that.

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Reply 2 of 12, by darry

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CBM wrote on 2021-04-04, 13:04:
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hi

I have this ISA hardcard

IMG-20210404-105704-033.jpg
IMG-20210404-105657-486.jpg
IMG-20210404-105641-258.jpg
IMG-20210404-105632-779.jpg
IMG-20210404-105622-264.jpg

and I found out that I need a driver in order to write to it, I can read from it without a driver

https://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/maxtor/en … ard_jumpers.pdf

atdosxl.sys

but I cant find it anywhere

according to the documentation:

"Must be installed in CONFIG.SYS as:
DEVICE=ATDOSXL.SYS"

Not sure if the driver is actually required for writing or if it is a different issue , but driver is here : http://ibm-pc.org/firmware/other/plus%20hardc … %20hardcard.htm

or attached here :

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Hcard2XL.zip
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343.62 KiB
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25 downloads
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Fair use/fair dealing exception

Reply 3 of 12, by CBM

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darry wrote on 2021-04-04, 14:08:
Not sure if the driver is actually required for writing or if it is a different issue , but driver is here : http://ibm-pc.org/f […]
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CBM wrote on 2021-04-04, 13:04:
hi […]
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hi

I have this ISA hardcard

IMG-20210404-105704-033.jpg
IMG-20210404-105657-486.jpg
IMG-20210404-105641-258.jpg
IMG-20210404-105632-779.jpg
IMG-20210404-105622-264.jpg

and I found out that I need a driver in order to write to it, I can read from it without a driver

https://www.seagate.com/staticfiles/maxtor/en … ard_jumpers.pdf

atdosxl.sys

but I cant find it anywhere

according to the documentation:

"Must be installed in CONFIG.SYS as:
DEVICE=ATDOSXL.SYS"

Not sure if the driver is actually required for writing or if it is a different issue , but driver is here : http://ibm-pc.org/firmware/other/plus%20hardc … %20hardcard.htm

or attached here :

Hcard2XL.zip

Thank you very much! PCRetroTech at youtube found the same link.. I think this is the one I need..

The manual states the driver is needed

Main PC SPECS:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Powercolor Red Devil Radeon RX 5700 XT
RAM: 8GB*4 Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz
Motherboard: ASUS Prime B450M-A
PSU: Corsair RM850

Reply 4 of 12, by weedeewee

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Speaking from personal experience with a 20MB hardcard. I have never used a driver. Didn't even know one existed.

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Reply 5 of 12, by CBM

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weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-04, 16:49:

Speaking from personal experience with a 20MB hardcard. I have never used a driver. Didn't even know one existed.

well I have never been able to write to the card only read

and after researching the 105 model, I discovered that when this card does not have the driver loaded it can only read from the disk but with the driver for dos it can read and write data according to its documentation

must test it though

Main PC SPECS:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Powercolor Red Devil Radeon RX 5700 XT
RAM: 8GB*4 Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz
Motherboard: ASUS Prime B450M-A
PSU: Corsair RM850

Reply 6 of 12, by weedeewee

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CBM wrote on 2021-04-04, 18:51:
well I have never been able to write to the card only read […]
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weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-04, 16:49:

Speaking from personal experience with a 20MB hardcard. I have never used a driver. Didn't even know one existed.

well I have never been able to write to the card only read

and after researching the 105 model, I discovered that when this card does not have the driver loaded it can only read from the disk but with the driver for dos it can read and write data according to its documentation

must test it though

that just seems odd to me, and highly annoying. 😀
Hope it works with the driver ... Wonder how it will function in windows or linux
Windows will probably be able to fall back on the bios routines but linux doesn't have that luxury.

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Reply 7 of 12, by CBM

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weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-04, 19:07:
that just seems odd to me, and highly annoying. :-) Hope it works with the driver ... Wonder how it will function in windows o […]
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CBM wrote on 2021-04-04, 18:51:
well I have never been able to write to the card only read […]
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weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-04, 16:49:

Speaking from personal experience with a 20MB hardcard. I have never used a driver. Didn't even know one existed.

well I have never been able to write to the card only read

and after researching the 105 model, I discovered that when this card does not have the driver loaded it can only read from the disk but with the driver for dos it can read and write data according to its documentation

must test it though

that just seems odd to me, and highly annoying. 😀
Hope it works with the driver ... Wonder how it will function in windows or linux
Windows will probably be able to fall back on the bios routines but linux doesn't have that luxury.

well windows is supposed to be able to handle it without mystic drivers but the card does not like fast computers but perhaps it will work well in an early pentium system with windows 95

Last edited by Stiletto on 2021-04-08, 04:42. Edited 1 time in total.

Main PC SPECS:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Powercolor Red Devil Radeon RX 5700 XT
RAM: 8GB*4 Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz
Motherboard: ASUS Prime B450M-A
PSU: Corsair RM850

Reply 8 of 12, by darry

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CBM wrote on 2021-04-05, 11:44:
weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-04, 19:07:
that just seems odd to me, and highly annoying. :-) Hope it works with the driver ... Wonder how it will function in windows o […]
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CBM wrote on 2021-04-04, 18:51:

well I have never been able to write to the card only read

and after researching the 105 model, I discovered that when this card does not have the driver loaded it can only read from the disk but with the driver for dos it can read and write data according to its documentation

must test it though

that just seems odd to me, and highly annoying. 😀
Hope it works with the driver ... Wonder how it will function in windows or linux
Windows will probably be able to fall back on the bios routines but linux doesn't have that luxury.

well windows is supposed to be able to handle it without mystic drivers but the card does not like fast computers but perhaps it will work well in an early pentium system with windows 95

This in the linked pdf makes that an unlikelt scenario : "Due to a bus timing issue, the hardcards are unable to work in most Pentium and DX4 systems."

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Though they will work under Windows 95, they do so in `DOS Compatibility mode'. No enhanced mode driver exists at
this time, and there are no plans to produce one."

Nonetheless, good luck.

Last edited by Stiletto on 2021-04-08, 04:43. Edited 1 time in total.

Reply 9 of 12, by weedeewee

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CBM wrote on 2021-04-05, 11:44:
weedeewee wrote on 2021-04-04, 19:07:

that just seems odd to me, and highly annoying. 😀
Hope it works with the driver ... Wonder how it will function in windows or linux
Windows will probably be able to fall back on the bios routines but linux doesn't have that luxury.

well windows is supposed to be able to handle it without mystic drivers but the card does not like fast computers but perhaps it will work well in an early pentium system with windows 95

from the pdf you linked ...

Due to a bus timing issue, the hardcards are unable to work in most Pentium and DX4 systems.

Last edited by Stiletto on 2021-04-08, 04:43. Edited 1 time in total.

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Reply 10 of 12, by CBM

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yes

it would need to be a very odd system indeed if it could run win 95 and also use the hardcard

Main PC SPECS:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600
GPU: Powercolor Red Devil Radeon RX 5700 XT
RAM: 8GB*4 Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200MHz
Motherboard: ASUS Prime B450M-A
PSU: Corsair RM850

Reply 11 of 12, by emosun

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i also have the hardcard 105 and have installed it into a windows 95 era packard bell , and yes you can read the drive and pull info off of it but you cant write to it. My goal however was to simply rescue the data from it before it possibly dies.

My hardcard 105 turned out to have a windows 3.1 installation on it.