The Mystique was the cheap version of the Millenium (and less powerful). Both those cards are retail and from the same generation.

Here are some pictures of the cards I ordered.

debs3759 wrote on 2021-04-10, 21:11:

The Mystique was the cheap version of the Millenium (and less powerful). Both those cards are retail and from the same generation.

Is the Millenium II and the original Mystique (Not 220) the same generation?

The original Mystique was the 1064 chip, and the original Millenium was the 2064 chip. 1164 (Mystique 220) and 2164 (Millenium II) are second generation.

debs3759 wrote on 2021-04-10, 21:41:

The original Mystique was the 1064 chip, and the original Millenium was the 2064 chip. 1164 (Mystique 220) and 2164 (Millenium II) are second generation.

Oh okay I see it now! Thanks. How do you identify whether a card is retail or OEM?

I'm not sure how all OEM part numbers start, but Compaq cards have model numbers on the stickers that start with CPQ. I'm not sure, but I think the OEM and non OEM versions of the same card only differ in the model number on the sticker. I haven't got round to researching Matrox cards for my website yet.

I can't tell which RAMDAC the Mystique has from the photo, but the Millennium II has a 250 MHz RAMDAC. You'll be able to drive some pretty high analog resolutions with it.

Fun fact: the Matrox drivers offer a software programable RAMDAC giving the user considerable options for custom resolutions with pixel clocks up to the maximum of the RAMDAC.

debs3759 wrote on 2021-04-10, 22:01:

I'm not sure how all OEM part numbers start, but Compaq cards have model numbers on the stickers that start with CPQ. I'm not sure, but I think the OEM and non OEM versions of the same card only differ in the model number on the sticker. I haven't got round to researching Matrox cards for my website yet.

Before the Millenium II card I just purchased, I bought a Millenium II with a sticker in the back with the model number ending in"Dell2". I am assuming this means that it was intended for Dell. Not sure if the specs are different. Guess I will find out when both are delivered to me.

So far, for the Millenium II cards, I know that there are differences in specs between a 708-01 and a 703-00.

The Mystique 220 1164SG-A and the 1064SG-H are both "644-03" but their specs are different, with the SG-A being faster. Both have 220 RAMDAC.

The specs should be the same, even if the layout differs. And yes, the DELL2 will mean it was used by DELL

fosterwj03 wrote on 2021-04-10, 22:20:

I can't tell which RAMDAC the Mystique has from the photo, but the Millennium II has a 250 MHz RAMDAC. You'll be able to drive some pretty high analog resolutions with it.

Fun fact: the Matrox drivers offer a software programable RAMDAC giving the user considerable options for custom resolutions with pixel clocks up to the maximum of the RAMDAC.

Thanks for the info!

debs3759 wrote on 2021-04-10, 22:28:

The specs should be the same, even if the layout differs. And yes, the DELL2 will mean it was used by DELL

Okay thanks!

Seems that Dell cards end in DELL2, Compaq end (not start as I said above) in CPQ and HP cards end in HP3 (and possibly HP/HP2)

I can't tell which RAMDAC the Mystique has from the photo

It's literally in the name - Mystique 220.

The Serpent Rider wrote on 2021-04-11, 02:13:

I can't tell which RAMDAC the Mystique has from the photo

It's literally in the name - Mystique 220.

That makes sense.

There are some Compaq OEM versions of those cards, but it shouldn't make a difference in terms of features. There is though a difference in terms of RAM speed. The known variants of Mystique "170" are 50/75, 55/82,5 and 60/90 MHz. Mystique 220 had two choices of 60/90 and 66/99 MHz.

Matrox Mystique were released in late 1996 and were mostly promoted to gamers and regular consumers. It used SGRAM. Later in 1997 Matrox followed up with the Millennium II which had improved 2D speeds, WRAM and the abilitiy to render 3D in 32 bit color. It also had a better RAMDAC and supposedly better VGA output. The Millennium II was a product more tailored for business usage and CAD rendering. It is actually slower in gaming than the Mystique.

They were good cards, unfortunately named not much better than the Xbox's

Both the MGA-1064SG Mystique and MGA-1064SG Mystique have the same PCI Device ID, but different PCI Revision IDs so once they are in a system it's easy to tell them apart, further the driver reports the RAMDAC speed.