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Regarding your question, did you check out the list here? https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/ATI#ATI_Rage_GPU_chart

The -20 at the end of the PN number is normally a revision change. My guess to why it says non-upgradeable since it already has the memory module and is maxed out.

According to http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cards/ite … rage-pro-agp-2x it an Xpert@Play

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Regarding your question, did you check out the list here? https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/ATI#ATI_Rage_GPU_chart

The -20 at the end of the PN number is normally a revision change. My guess to why it says non-upgradeable since it already has the memory module and is maxed out.

My apologies.

Makes sense, the card in question has 8mb mem.

Was the 3D Rage Pro "TURBO" the last 3D Rage ATI released?

debs3759 wrote on 2021-04-16, 21:50:

According to http://www.vgamuseum.info/index.php/cards/ite … rage-pro-agp-2x it an Xpert@Play

Yes, seems like it.

I read that ATI generally sold their 3D Rage Pro cards in the form of either Xpert@Play or Xpert@Work.

My understanding is that anything that doesn't have the extras of TV output and such is just an Xpert@work?

Is the ATI 3D Rage Pro All In Wonder slower? I read that AIW's are generally slower but I am not sure if ot applies to the 3D Rage Pro?

Rage XL was the last desktop Rage. Rage 128 series was a year later, with the dual chip Rage Fury Maxx released a month later. I believe Rage Mobility came after all of them, and were also used on desktop boards.

AIW cards run at the same speeds as regular cards (at least, the R128 versions do)

FXing Serious wrote on 2021-04-16, 21:53:

Was the 3D Rage Pro "TURBO" the last 3D Rage ATI released?

Rage XL chips were re-released as cheap low end clones and as integrated server VGA for a very long time after the rest of the Rage line was gone, but they were never the fastest.

The last, best "high performance" single chip Rage was Rage 128 Pro 2, that was in the Rage 128 Pro Ultra (109-78200-00 ) but it was not competitive with the Nvidia Geforce 256.

The Rage 6 chip was its successor, but it renamed to the Radeon DDR (R100), maybe to make a break from the previous products because the Rage product line had become something of a mess by that point.

douglar wrote on 2021-04-16, 23:48:

because the Rage product line had become something of a mess by that point.

Seems to me like the Rage product line was always a mess.

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FXing Serious wrote on 2021-04-16, 21:53:

Was the 3D Rage Pro "TURBO" the last 3D Rage ATI released?

Rage XL chips were re-released as cheap low end clones and as integrated server VGA for a very long time after the rest of the Rage line was gone, but they were never the fastest.

The last, best "high performance" single chip Rage was Rage 128 Pro 2, that was in the Rage 128 Pro Ultra (109-78200-00 ) but it was not competitive with the Nvidia Geforce 256.

The Rage 6 chip was its successor, but it renamed to the Radeon DDR (R100), maybe to make a break from the previous products because the Rage product line had become something of a mess by that point.

Interesting.... I thought the Rage 128 was the successor of the 3D Rage Pro. Something entirely different. I am basically looking for the latest and best offering from ATI of 3D Rage Pro chip. The Rage XL is a budget offering, and the RageLT was made for mobile I believe? So that will make the 3D Rage Turbo the last best offering?

I already own a 109-40200-20 3D Rage Pro AGP 2X. I just bought another 109-40200-20 again, this one with the 3D Rage Turbo name stamped on the chip. It is the same card I know..... But I decided that I will just collect both 🤣. No need to ask any more questions or find out what is what xD It was already giving me a headache...