Update with a reason 9250 it wont show SCSI drives but with an s3 Virge it will.

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-04, 07:36:

Update with a reason 9250 it wont show SCSI drives but with an s3 Virge it will.

Is that even with the integrated video disabled?

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2022-03-04, 07:55:

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-04, 07:36:

Update with a reason 9250 it wont show SCSI drives but with an s3 Virge it will.

Is that even with the integrated video disabled?

CPQ ProLiant 5000 SW1.jpg

Yes I have switch one set to on. In windows I see that the S3 gives a code 12 not enough resources and windows still sees the onboard GPU. (edit I fixed the error 12 by simply installing the device in windows now the S3 works fine but I would like to use the 9250 for 3d acceleration.)

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-04, 08:24:

Yes I have switch one set to on. In windows I see that the S3 gives a code 12 not enough resources and windows still sees the onboard GPU. (edit I fixed the error 12 by simply installing the device in windows now the S3 works fine but I would like to use the 9250 for 3d acceleration.)

I thought maybe PCI bus / slot order

but seemingly not (couple of somewhat familiar posts on the subject)

https://community.hpe.com/t5/ProLiant-Servers … ge/td-p/2900068
https://community.hpe.com/t5/ProLiant-Servers … rch/m-p/2901266

9250 might just be too new to work?

PC Hoarder Patrol wrote on 2022-03-04, 11:23:

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Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-04, 08:24:

Yes I have switch one set to on. In windows I see that the S3 gives a code 12 not enough resources and windows still sees the onboard GPU. (edit I fixed the error 12 by simply installing the device in windows now the S3 works fine but I would like to use the 9250 for 3d acceleration.)

I thought maybe PCI bus / slot order

CPQ ProLiant 5000 Slots.jpg

but seemingly not (couple of somewhat familiar posts on the subject)

https://community.hpe.com/t5/ProLiant-Servers … ge/td-p/2900068
https://community.hpe.com/t5/ProLiant-Servers … rch/m-p/2901266

9250 might just be too new to work?

So before I spend a bunch of money on a pci video card what do you think I should get? I was thinking of getting a rage 128.

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-04, 18:45:

So before I spend a bunch of money on a pci video card what do you think I should get? I was thinking of getting a rage 128.

Seems a pretty safe bet (same mid/late 90s generation as the 5000 itself) tho can find no other references to discrete graphics cards being used except in the previous links (Mystique - success & unnamed ATI - failure)

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-04, 07:36:

Update with a reason 9250 it wont show SCSI drives but with an s3 Virge it will.

This might be related to Video BIOS size: The Radeon 9250 likely has a 64K video BIOS (C000-CFFF), whereas an S3 Virge card typically uses only the classic 32K range (C000-C7FF) used by VGA cards. If the onboard SCSI BIOS is configured to be at location C800, there will be an address conflict with the Radeon, but not with the Virge.

mkarcher wrote on 2022-03-05, 20:24:

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-04, 07:36:

Update with a reason 9250 it wont show SCSI drives but with an s3 Virge it will.

This might be related to Video BIOS size: The Radeon 9250 likely has a 64K video BIOS (C000-CFFF), whereas an S3 Virge card typically uses only the classic 32K range (C000-C7FF) used by VGA cards. If the onboard SCSI BIOS is configured to be at location C800, there will be an address conflict with the Radeon, but not with the Virge.

Is there any way to fix that? And would a rage 128 have that issue?

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-06, 04:26:

mkarcher wrote on 2022-03-05, 20:24:

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-04, 07:36:

Update with a reason 9250 it wont show SCSI drives but with an s3 Virge it will.

This might be related to Video BIOS size: The Radeon 9250 likely has a 64K video BIOS (C000-CFFF), whereas an S3 Virge card typically uses only the classic 32K range (C000-C7FF) used by VGA cards. If the onboard SCSI BIOS is configured to be at location C800, there will be an address conflict with the Radeon, but not with the Virge.

Is there any way to fix that? And would a rage 128 have that issue?

If the SCSI controller uses normal PCI procedures to set up the BIOS, the base address will be chosen automatically, and my idea is wrong. On the other hand, if the mainboard BIOS installs the SCSI BIOS at a fixed address, you should be able to choose that address with the Compaq system configuration program.

Looking at Video bios(vBIOS) rom size research project for pure DOS, because there is smaller better.. Add our info. , I see only one example of a Rage 128, and that one exceeds 32K.

mkarcher wrote on 2022-03-06, 08:33:

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-06, 04:26:

mkarcher wrote on 2022-03-05, 20:24:

This might be related to Video BIOS size: The Radeon 9250 likely has a 64K video BIOS (C000-CFFF), whereas an S3 Virge card typically uses only the classic 32K range (C000-C7FF) used by VGA cards. If the onboard SCSI BIOS is configured to be at location C800, there will be an address conflict with the Radeon, but not with the Virge.

Is there any way to fix that? And would a rage 128 have that issue?

If the SCSI controller uses normal PCI procedures to set up the BIOS, the base address will be chosen automatically, and my idea is wrong. On the other hand, if the mainboard BIOS installs the SCSI BIOS at a fixed address, you should be able to choose that address with the Compaq system configuration program.

Looking at Video bios(vBIOS) rom size research project for pure DOS, because there is smaller better.. Add our info. , I see only one example of a Rage 128, and that one exceeds 32K.

Well, I cant get another SCSI to show drives the setup detects it but IDK what's going on with it. Where would I look at the system config to try and change that?

Its been 10-15 years since I last used the Compaq system configuration utility but IIRC there is a screen in there that shows all of the onboard hardware along with all of the installed expansion cards. And for each device you can open a configuration window to change settings, etc. This is how EISA cards are normally configured (rather than jumpers or Plug'n'Play) and I think PCI cards are dealt with the same way. IIRC there is an auto-configuration option in there as well which will go through and allocate resources to everything. I think you can also add in ISA cards too if only so that the Configuration Utility knows that particular IRQs, etc, aren't available for assignment to other hardware.

But again its been a long time and I could be misremembering everything. I don't see any screenshots or videos demonstrating the software so you may have to do a bit of exploring.

davidrg wrote on 2022-03-06, 21:58:

Its been 10-15 years since I last used the Compaq system configuration utility but IIRC there is a screen in there that shows all of the onboard hardware along with all of the installed expansion cards. And for each device you can open a configuration window to change settings, etc. This is how EISA cards are normally configured (rather than jumpers or Plug'n'Play) and I think PCI cards are dealt with the same way. IIRC there is an auto-configuration option in there as well which will go through and allocate resources to everything. I think you can also add in ISA cards too if only so that the Configuration Utility knows that particular IRQs, etc, aren't available for assignment to other hardware.

But again its been a long time and I could be misremembering everything. I don't see any screenshots or videos demonstrating the software so you may have to do a bit of exploring.

Well, I bought this hopefully it works. https://www.ebay.com/itm/284678646896?_trkpar … 9ba44%7Ciid%3A1

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-07, 02:08:

Well, I bought this hopefully it works. https://www.ebay.com/itm/284678646896?_trkpar … 9ba44%7Ciid%3A1

Can't find much in the support docs re video cards except these two paragraphs

I think I had to make a change to dip switch on my Prolient 1600 to disable the onboard when adding a 2nd video card.
I've actually got 2 addon cards now but both official compaq cards (Compaq ilo and Compaq RIB)

when googleing to find the dip switch I found a post saying a Voodoo 3 didn't work in a PL1600, so would say these early Prolients are real picky on cards

chinny22 wrote on 2022-03-07, 11:27:

I think I had to make a change to dip switch on my Prolient 1600 to disable the onboard when adding a 2nd video card.
I've actually got 2 addon cards now but both official compaq cards (Compaq ilo and Compaq RIB)

when googleing to find the dip switch I found a post saying a Voodoo 3 didn't work in a PL1600, so would say these early Prolients are real picky on cards

Well I do have it disabled I just hope this does not become a parts cannon where I end up buying 15 different cards trying to get it to work.

For what it's worth it might be better to switch SCSI cards.

mkarcher wrote on 2022-03-06, 08:33:

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-06, 04:26:

mkarcher wrote on 2022-03-05, 20:24:

This might be related to Video BIOS size: The Radeon 9250 likely has a 64K video BIOS (C000-CFFF), whereas an S3 Virge card typically uses only the classic 32K range (C000-C7FF) used by VGA cards. If the onboard SCSI BIOS is configured to be at location C800, there will be an address conflict with the Radeon, but not with the Virge.

Is there any way to fix that? And would a rage 128 have that issue?

If the SCSI controller uses normal PCI procedures to set up the BIOS, the base address will be chosen automatically, and my idea is wrong. On the other hand, if the mainboard BIOS installs the SCSI BIOS at a fixed address, you should be able to choose that address with the Compaq system configuration program.

Looking at Video bios(vBIOS) rom size research project for pure DOS, because there is smaller better.. Add our info. , I see only one example of a Rage 128, and that one exceeds 32K.

Let's say the rage 128 does not work would I be better off with a 32kb Mach 64 or something like a GeForce 2?

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-07, 19:15:

mkarcher wrote on 2022-03-06, 08:33:

Winman486 wrote on 2022-03-06, 04:26:

Is there any way to fix that? And would a rage 128 have that issue?

If the SCSI controller uses normal PCI procedures to set up the BIOS, the base address will be chosen automatically, and my idea is wrong. On the other hand, if the mainboard BIOS installs the SCSI BIOS at a fixed address, you should be able to choose that address with the Compaq system configuration program.

Looking at Video bios(vBIOS) rom size research project for pure DOS, because there is smaller better.. Add our info. , I see only one example of a Rage 128, and that one exceeds 32K.

Let's say the rage 128 does not work would I be better off with a 32kb Mach 64 or something like a GeForce 2?

If the problem is indeed caused by the video BIOS size, and you need to hit 32KB, a GeForce 2 most likely will not do. While I don't find a Geforce 2 in that list, even the TNT cards listed already exceed 32K.

Which scsi card do you have in use ?