darry wrote on 2022-03-18, 22:00:

IMHO, that reads more like "we don't support it and don't care if it doesn't work ( likely because it is not being tested anymore)" rather than "we are explicitly and intentionally preventing it from working".

For what it’s worth, I also had issues with a PNY drive on a SATA to IDE adapter. As far as I can tell, they’ve done something to drop support for SATA 1 with their drives.

Sunoo wrote on 2022-03-18, 22:57:

darry wrote on 2022-03-18, 22:00:

IMHO, that reads more like "we don't support it and don't care if it doesn't work ( likely because it is not being tested anymore)" rather than "we are explicitly and intentionally preventing it from working".

For what it’s worth, I also had issues with a PNY drive on a SATA to IDE adapter. As far as I can tell, they’ve done something to drop support for SATA 1 with their drives.

I have also found annecdotal evidence from as far back as 2016 regarding this (see edit to my post). So far, this seems to be only PNY, AFAICT and does not look like a wider industry trend or at least not a widely publicized one .

It would be nice to know the technical reason .

darry wrote on 2022-03-18, 23:33:

It would be nice to know the technical reason .

I would also love to hear that. It was my understanding that the specs are intentionally backwards and forwards compatible.

so what other modern storage solutions are out there besides ide to cf cards?

You could pick up an IDE DOM. I haven’t tried those myself yet, but I know some people have had good luck.

vkcpolice wrote on 2022-03-19, 09:37:

so what other modern storage solutions are out there besides ide to cf cards?

SLC based SSDs

vkcpolice wrote on 2022-03-19, 09:37:

so what other modern storage solutions are out there besides ide to cf cards?

RAM "disks", also. Or RAM "drives", as hipsters now call them. As if not both terms do falsely refer to moving parts. 😉

The type of RAM disk I mean were physical storage devices based on DDR/DDR2 RAM.
They either connected via PCI or IDE/SATA.
They were very expensive, though. But provided almost instant booting and disk access.
Just like a traditional RAM disk that's managed through the OS.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-RAM
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX99SNFiLwU
Edit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sts3ZqYdObM

In the distant past, such RAM disks were also sometimes attached via floppy controller.
Thus, they could be used in DOS based environments very easily.
Sizes went from 512 KB to 2 MB or 4MB.

Looking back, this seems very silly perhaps, but there used to be high-speed floppy controllers in the MBit/s range. These were used for streamers, for example.

And years before that, innovative PC compatible computers in the spirit of the Tandy 1000 had battery-backed RAM that could be used as RAM drive.

I’ve had nothing but trouble with these adapters.

Just ditch the ide entirely. Get a add in card. The promise tx4 sata II card works very well for me.

It's also possible go gain fast access times by using a RAID for SSDs.

Here's a funny video that demonstrates this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eULFf6F5Ri8

😀

vkcpolice wrote on 2022-03-19, 09:37:

so what other modern storage solutions are out there besides ide to cf cards?

Here's some info:
https://www.vogonswiki.com/index.php/Storage# … Retro_Computers

I added a note about the Sata 1 support under Sata storage devices.

Let me know if you have any additions, updates or modifications to contribute.