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First post, by mrzmaster

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Hi friends,

I am slowly working on putting together a slot 1 machine built around a Pentium II 450MHz (Deschutes) processor and Voodoo 3 AGP (16 MB) graphics card.

While the goal of this build will be for real DOS gaming with good sound (AWE64 Gold + Orpheus + X2GS), I would like to take advantage of the Voodoo3 for some Glide supported Windows 98 games. I was wondering if the PII 450 will be a bottleneck that will prevent me from playing Glide for W98 games at a reasonable quality. I do have a slot 1 Coppermine PIII 733MHz (133MHz FSB) on hand that I could use instead, but was originally aiming to use the PII for this build as I have another PIII Tualatin machine (albeit, with a GF4 Ti4200 and no Glide) for performance Windows 98 gaming.

Thanks!

Reply 1 of 6, by Hezus

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I've got the exact same setup here. I've got mine overclocked to 504 Mhz.

It runs titles like Quake 2, Unreal and Half-Life really well. Also racing games like Dethkarz and Collin McRae Rally run with good FPS. I've also happily played Conflict Freespace (1) on this system. As soon as you get closer to the 1999/2000 mark, the games become far more demanding. Unreal Tournament is somewhat playable, but a the FPS are a little on the low side for such a fast paced game.

Personally, I find the PII 450 and the Voodoo 3 a perfect pairing if you respect the era it was made in. Back then, PC hardware was obsolete within 2 years because of the fast developments in hardware and gaming engines. Especially since you've got that PIII Tualatin with the GF4 for the later games, I wouldn't put a lot of effort into pushing the Pentium II much further. Since you also want to play DOS games, the Voodoo 3 gives excellent compatibility with those older VGA games.

I can't tell you exactly where the bottleneck is, but I suspect a GeForce 2 GTS would be the the maximum tier card for this system. Putting anything higher in might just be a waste of rendering power.

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Reply 2 of 6, by mrzmaster

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Thanks! It's good to know I'm on the right track with this build. I also wanted to get away with using the PII Deschutes since having another PIII build in my collection seems duplicative.

Is UT99 not a "glide native" game like Unreal is? Performance/fps aside, will the Voodoo3 or GF4 Ti4200 provide better rendering/image quality in that game?

Reply 3 of 6, by Hezus

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mrzmaster wrote on 2022-05-13, 20:31:

Is UT99 not a "glide native" game like Unreal is? Performance/fps aside, will the Voodoo3 or GF4 Ti4200 provide better rendering/image quality in that game?

Yes, UT99 has great Glide support, but the game is just more demanding graphically than Unreal.

As for image quality: this is where the Voodoo 3 has its greatest weakness, because it can only render 16 bit and a maximum texture resolution of 256x256. The competition at the time was able to do 32 bit and 512x512, but not often as fast as the Voodoo 3.

The GF4 will be able to render 32 bit with high texture resolution, but the card is 4 generations ahead of the Voodoo 3, so it's not even a fair comparisment.

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Reply 4 of 6, by PC-Engineer

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There were some late Glide native games based on the Unreal Engine (Deus Ex for example). For the most part, these ran decently on a Voodoo3, at the usual resolutions (800x600) and frame rates (around 20-30 FPS), even on a 450MHz PII. If you have similar demands, you will be satisfied with it. If you need modern FPS Rates stable over 100, than take a Athlon64 or a fast P4. If not, SSE (Pentium III) can bring a noticeable advantage for titles from the middle of 2000. In general, the Voodoo3 fits very well with a 450 PII or PIII in terms of speed. If you notice that the CPU is the bottleneck in a game, set the resolution to 1024x768, then the tide will turn.

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Reply 5 of 6, by leonardo

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mrzmaster wrote on 2022-05-13, 18:43:

I am slowly working on putting together a slot 1 machine built around a Pentium II 450MHz (Deschutes) processor and Voodoo 3 AGP (16 MB) graphics card.

You're right on the mark. I'd say once you break 500MHz you might as well live in GeForceVille.

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Reply 6 of 6, by Hezus

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Which voodoo3 do you have? If you want a bit of extra performance, there are plenty of good programs to squeeze some more mhz out of the cards. I managed to get my v3 2000 running as fast as a v3 3000 without any issue.

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