KLund1 wrote on 2022-06-21, 16:42:Wow, quite the interesting debate!
Seems like one should have several cards on hand for the particular game you want to run.
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Wow, quite the interesting debate!
Seems like one should have several cards on hand for the particular game you want to run.
That is not a bog deal for me as I have an open case, and easy to swap cards when I want.
I am a little confused on some of the abbreviations used above
S3 -=?
Virge = ?
S3: VGA chip vendor.
Virge: mid 1990s VGA chip from S3 with (famously slow) 3D functions and a good 2D core. Used on the Diamond Stealth3D series.[/quote]
Monster 3d = Voodoo 2 II = V2 ?
Correct.
In general, it's the chip used on a card that determines features, compatibility and performance. Particularly with Voodoo2 cards there was very little difference between cards, and like nearly everyone else Diamond implemented 3DFx's reference design in the Monster3D II, so "V2" covers it - and makes clear that the points made apply to all Voodoo 2 cards, not just this specific one.
Exception: analog image quality is determined by the choice and quality of components on the specific card, not on the chip on it. So a lot of S3 Virge cards have bad/washed out image quality but it is possible (and if I recall correctly true) that this need not apply to the Diamon Stealth3D series.
Both of my stealth cards are 4mb
Good, then for 2D there really isn't going to be any difference between the options.
Note that your Diamond Stealh II S220 has a Rendition Verite V2100 chip on it, a slightly unusual early 2D+3D accelerator from the same time as the S3 Virge and Voodoo 1. This was the era of proprietary 3D standards, before the dominance of OpenGL and Direct3D - so a game supported specific chips. There were also much bigger differences in image quality between these chips and these could also differ between games. So yes, the "best" could indeed differ per game. Life was still fun in the mid 1990s 😉
Edit: I need to type faster (or not try to respond in between work calls), Tetrium beat me to this 😀
Seems to most votes is the Monster and S330 ? At least for the most general usage.
You're not helping yourself with abbreviations by being so inaccurate about the card you have...
You've now given the same card three names:
V330
V770
S330
The Diamond Viper V330 was a 1997 card with an nVidia Riva 128 chip on it. That makes it older than the V2
The Diamond Viper V770 was a 1999 card with an nVidia TNT2 chip on it. That makes it newer than the V2
I have no idea what the "S330" would be so I assume a typo.
Could you clarify exactly which one it is?
Assuming it to be the Diamond Viper V330, then you have a Riva 128. It has the best Direct3D compatibility, but with only 4MB RAM shared between 2D and 3D, it won't come close to V2 performance. As a 2D card, it's fine, but no better than the other two in DOS or Windows. What it doesn't give you is any earlier proprietary 3D stuff, which both the V2100 and Virge do do.
A good place to read up on this era:
https://vintage3d.org/index.php
Read the pages for the S3 Virge (for background) and Virge/DX (for the specific chip on your cards), Rendition Verite V2000 and nVidia Riva 128. Then look at Results for comparative benchmarks in different games- but again, it's not just about speed, rendering quality is at least as important in this era. Then take your pick. The site also has links to drivers, if you need them.