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First post, by C0deHunter

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Hello all,
I just picked up a pristine BH6 v1.1 system, that comes with an Intel PIII-300MHz (Katami, 66MHz FSB), and an ATi Rage 128 MAGNUM SD AGP video card.
My main goal is to play the period correct FPS games, such as Quake III Arena, Unreal Tournament, etc. on it.

I need your opinion:

Should I install a faster PIII (your recommendations please), or a better GPU (your recommendations please)?

Thanks!

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 64MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)

Reply 3 of 28, by bofh.fromhell

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65C02 wrote on 2022-07-30, 03:27:

Your CPU is underclocked. Set your system bus to 100 MHz so that your CPU runs at its rated 450 MHz , then get a cheap GF2 MX. Q3A and UT will run great!

Agreed.
The MX's are not only plentiful and cheap.
They are also a great match for a P2 or lower range P3 system.

Reply 4 of 28, by pete8475

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65C02 wrote on 2022-07-30, 03:27:

Your CPU is underclocked. Set your system bus to 100 MHz so that your CPU runs at its rated 450 MHz , then get a cheap GF2 MX. Q3A and UT will run great!

Yes definitely fix that first, there was never a 300mhz p3.

Reply 5 of 28, by C0deHunter

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OK, will do so!

Up to what PIII speed, a BH6 can support?

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 64MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)

Reply 6 of 28, by AlexZ

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How is it different from the Abit BH-6 you already have? It makes little sense to have PIII-800E and PIII-550.

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Reply 7 of 28, by kaputnik

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C0deHunter wrote on 2022-07-30, 07:49:

OK, will do so!

Up to what PIII speed, a BH6 can support?

Running a 1.4 GHz Tualeron in a Tualatin modded MS-6905 slotket in my BH6 rev. 1.01.

CPU-z reports 1403 MHz @ 14 * 100.2 MHz. Guess those numbers can be trusted. POST reports 1356 MHz. Haven't patched BIOS - version SS by the way - with microcode for the CPU stepping in question though, assuming it's just a display error.

The soft menu CPU settings maxes out on 12x multi, however, that's ignored with anything newer than the first PII:s anyways.

Haven't tried higher FSB speeds since I brought out my board again, don't want to stress this old hardware more than necessary. IIRC the BH6 worked perfectly with 133MHz FSB CPU:s back in the day when it was new though.

Given the above, I'd say the BH6 can support any P3, including the top end models 😀

Reply 8 of 28, by C0deHunter

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kaputnik wrote on 2022-07-30, 12:11:
Running a 1.4 GHz Tualeron in a Tualatin modded MS-6905 slotket in my BH6 rev. 1.01. […]
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C0deHunter wrote on 2022-07-30, 07:49:

OK, will do so!

Up to what PIII speed, a BH6 can support?

Running a 1.4 GHz Tualeron in a Tualatin modded MS-6905 slotket in my BH6 rev. 1.01.

CPU-z reports 1403 MHz @ 14 * 100.2 MHz. Guess those numbers can be trusted. POST reports 1356 MHz. Haven't patched BIOS - version SS by the way - with microcode for the CPU stepping in question though, assuming it's just a display error.

The soft menu CPU settings maxes out on 12x multi, however, that's ignored with anything newer than the first PII:s anyways.

Haven't tried higher FSB speeds since I brought out my board again, don't want to stress this old hardware more than necessary. IIRC the BH6 worked perfectly with 133MHz FSB CPU:s back in the day when it was new though.

Given the above, I'd say the BH6 can support any P3, including the top end models 😀

Thanks! But is this setup period correct? Personally, I prefer genuine period correct setup! 😀

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 64MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)

Reply 9 of 28, by rasz_pl

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most popular period correct would probably be Celeron 300A@450 with Voodoo3/~TNT2 pre 2000, and some overclocked Coppermine with GeForce 2 MX post 2000

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Reply 10 of 28, by kaputnik

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C0deHunter wrote on 2022-07-31, 18:28:
kaputnik wrote on 2022-07-30, 12:11:
Running a 1.4 GHz Tualeron in a Tualatin modded MS-6905 slotket in my BH6 rev. 1.01. […]
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C0deHunter wrote on 2022-07-30, 07:49:

OK, will do so!

Up to what PIII speed, a BH6 can support?

Running a 1.4 GHz Tualeron in a Tualatin modded MS-6905 slotket in my BH6 rev. 1.01.

CPU-z reports 1403 MHz @ 14 * 100.2 MHz. Guess those numbers can be trusted. POST reports 1356 MHz. Haven't patched BIOS - version SS by the way - with microcode for the CPU stepping in question though, assuming it's just a display error.

The soft menu CPU settings maxes out on 12x multi, however, that's ignored with anything newer than the first PII:s anyways.

Haven't tried higher FSB speeds since I brought out my board again, don't want to stress this old hardware more than necessary. IIRC the BH6 worked perfectly with 133MHz FSB CPU:s back in the day when it was new though.

Given the above, I'd say the BH6 can support any P3, including the top end models 😀

Thanks! But is this setup period correct? Personally, I prefer genuine period correct setup! 😀

Well, it would of course not be a setup found in a brand new BH6 based computer before the turn of the millennium, but since the early P4:s pretty much sucked, some of us went to almost absurd lengths upgrading our PII/PIII systems to prolong their lives. I'd bet you could find plenty of setups similar to mine around 2002-2003, with the exception of the GF Ti4600 GPU of course 😀

Reply 11 of 28, by C0deHunter

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I get a BIOS is protected error message when I attempt to update the BIOS, using the following file hosted on this site:

https://soggi.org/motherboards/bios-update-fl … h-utilities.htm

AMI aminf342
AMI amiflash 8.95
AMI AFUDOS 4.40

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Reply 12 of 28, by PcBytes

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That's because the BH6 uses AWARD BIOS, not AMI. You have to either use Award's utility, Uniflash, or flashrom (I'd recommend flashrom just because it's more verbose in what it is doing.)

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Reply 14 of 28, by C0deHunter

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Thank you!
I’m trying to bring the BIOS updated, because I’m planning to replace the existing P3-450 with a spare P3-600. You think that’s going to work, right?

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 64MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)

Reply 16 of 28, by C0deHunter

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smtkr wrote on 2022-08-02, 00:32:

Your signature says you're running an 800E on a BH6

🤣! This is another BH6 system, and its been a while! OK, I was thrown off by the manual stating that the max is a P3-500! 😀

OK, I found another spare P3-800E, but the POST message reports that the CPU is unusable. I am using the following settings:

User Defined
Ext. Clock 133MHz (1/4)N
Mult. X6
Sel100/66# HIGH
AGPCLK/CPUCLK 1/1
L2 Cache Lat Default
Speed Error Hold Enabled

CPU Power Supply: CPU Default
Core Voltage: 1.65V

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 64MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)

Reply 17 of 28, by kaputnik

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C0deHunter wrote on 2022-08-02, 00:46:
LOL! This is another BH6 system, and its been a while! OK, I was thrown off by the manual stating that the max is a P3-500! :) […]
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smtkr wrote on 2022-08-02, 00:32:

Your signature says you're running an 800E on a BH6

🤣! This is another BH6 system, and its been a while! OK, I was thrown off by the manual stating that the max is a P3-500! 😀

OK, I found another spare P3-800E, but the POST message reports that the CPU is unusable. I am using the following settings:

User Defined
Ext. Clock 133MHz (1/4)N
Mult. X6
Sel100/66# HIGH
AGPCLK/CPUCLK 1/1
L2 Cache Lat Default
Speed Error Hold Enabled

CPU Power Supply: CPU Default
Core Voltage: 1.65V

It's caused by the BIOS not recognizing the CPU. Disable "Speed Error Hold", and the message will go away. It's not affecting the function in any way, the CPU will still work as intended.

Also, set AGPCLK/CPUCLK to 2/3. Now the AGP bus is running at FSB speed, 133 MHz, which is double the stock 66 MHz clock 😁 The 89 MHz you'll get is a substantial overclock too, but many cards, especially Nvidia ones, can handle that perfectly.

Edit: The PIII-800E is a 100 MHz FSB processor. Set Ext. Clock to 100MHz (1/3) too. This also gets you 66MHz AGP with its divider set to 2/3.

Reply 18 of 28, by C0deHunter

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Edit: The PIII-800E is a 100 MHz FSB processor. Set Ext. Clock to 100MHz (1/3) too. This also gets you 66MHz AGP with its divider set to 2/3.

Actually by looking at the marking on the CPU, it seems a 133MHz, therefore it has to be 133MHz, any other settings make the POST show as 600E.

I get 800EB reading on POST, when I do the 133MHz, and 2/3AGP/CLK

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 64MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)

Reply 19 of 28, by C0deHunter

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Edit: The PIII-800E is a 100 MHz FSB processor. Set Ext. Clock to 100MHz (1/3) too. This also gets you 66MHz AGP with its divider set to 2/3.
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I can confirm that the CPU is a PIII (Socket 1) 800EB/256/133/1.65V S1 (10220578-0443 Phillipins) - '00 SL4G7

1) The issue that I have when I run it at 800MHz is the fact that Windows 2000 Pro intermittently would not boot, as I get the loading progress bar on Windows 2000 Load splash screen, but it reboots the system too often.

Win98SE and WinME work perfectly however under 800MHz speed.
I have updated the motherboard to the latest BIOS version as well.

2) The other curious thing is that most 800EB come in Socket 370, and NOT in Slot1, how's mine possible then?

3) Could it be my RAM stick? I have a single 128MB PC100 installed.

4) If all fails, what would be the best 'downgrade' speed that make this system stable enough for Win2K Pro?

Any suggestions?

Last edited by C0deHunter on 2022-08-18, 20:37. Edited 2 times in total.

PIII-800E | Abit BH-6 | GeForce FX 5200 | 64MB SD-RAM PC100 | AWE64 Gold | Sound Canvas 55 MKII | SoftMPU | 16GBGB Transcend CF as C:\ and 64GB Transcend CF D:\ (Games) | OS: MS-DOS 7.1-Win98SE-WinME-Win2K Pro (multi-OS menu Using System Commander 2K)