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First post, by eyalk4567

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I just bought from eBay a Sony DVD EIDE drive (model: DRU-830A) and it says, it was manufactured mid 2007.
So I just wanted to ask, does windows 98 have problems with newer IDE/EIDE DVD drives?
Or should it work fine as long as it is an IDE/EIDE DVD drive?

Reply 2 of 14, by Jo22

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Windows itself should be fine, I think.

The only downsides I can think of modern drives:
- They spin too fast (Nero Drive Speed tool can help)
- They may nolonger support older "books"
- They nolonger can be made RC-0 (used to work via DOS/ATAPI with tools that supported 2000s era drives)
- They nolonger have analog audio.

So for the latter, there won't be music in some CD-ROM games that talk to the drive directly through MCI, not Media Player. *maybe*

It's been a while since I tinkered with this, however.

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In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." - The Minstrel

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Reply 3 of 14, by eyalk4567

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Jo22 wrote on 2022-08-18, 07:14:
Windows itself should be fine, I think. […]
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Windows itself should be fine, I think.

The only downsides I can think of modern drives:
- They spin too fast (Nero Drive Speed tool can help)
- They may nolonger support older "books"
- They nolonger can be made RC-0 (used to work via DOS/ATAPI with tools that supported 2000s era drives)
- They nolonger have analog audio.

So for the latter, there won't be music in some CD-ROM games that talk to the drive directly through MCI, not Media Player. *maybe*

It's been a while since I tinkered with this, however.

Its IDE/EIDE and most of them have analog audio. They stopped putting it on SATA drives, I even looked at the manual of the DVD drive that I ordered and it says it has audio cable connection in the back.

Reply 8 of 14, by eyalk4567

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Ydee wrote on 2022-08-18, 14:17:

Thank you, I didn't think that meant Region Code - I know what it is.

Are pc games from the late 90s and early 2000s even region locked?
Because if not, it doesn't really matter if DVD drives for PCs have or don't have RC-0

Reply 9 of 14, by Sombrero

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eyalk4567 wrote on 2022-08-19, 13:03:

Are pc games from the late 90s and early 2000s even region locked?
Because if not, it doesn't really matter if DVD drives for PCs have or don't have RC-0

Region locked PC games/content exist only as digital game codes for Steam and alike, and even then that's only a concern if you get your keys from some third party key seller. Only DVD movies care about the region on a Win98 rig.

DOS/Win98SE: Abit BX133-RAID / P3 650MHz / Voodoo3 3000 / 128MB SDRAM / Audigy 2 / Orpheus
WinXP: Asus P5K / P4 HT 651 3.4GHz (65W) / 6800 GT / 2GB DDR2 / X-Fi
WinXP/7: MSI Z77A-G43 / i5-3570 / GTX 960 / 8GB DDR3 / X-Fi

Reply 10 of 14, by Ydee

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eyalk4567 wrote on 2022-08-19, 13:03:

Are pc games from the late 90s and early 2000s even region locked?
Because if not, it doesn't really matter if DVD drives for PCs have or don't have RC-0

Yes, that was only applied to video content, distributed on DVD carriers, which had different pricing and distribution policies in different regions of the world (similar to streaming platforms today).

Reply 11 of 14, by eyalk4567

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Sombrero wrote on 2022-08-19, 13:36:
eyalk4567 wrote on 2022-08-19, 13:03:

Are pc games from the late 90s and early 2000s even region locked?
Because if not, it doesn't really matter if DVD drives for PCs have or don't have RC-0

Region locked PC games/content exist only as digital game codes for Steam and alike, and even then that's only a concern if you get your keys from some third party key seller. Only DVD movies care about the region on a Win98 rig.

So does that mean I don't need to think about it if I'm using my windows 98 pc only for games?

Reply 12 of 14, by Sombrero

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eyalk4567 wrote on 2022-08-19, 16:48:
Sombrero wrote on 2022-08-19, 13:36:
eyalk4567 wrote on 2022-08-19, 13:03:

Are pc games from the late 90s and early 2000s even region locked?
Because if not, it doesn't really matter if DVD drives for PCs have or don't have RC-0

Region locked PC games/content exist only as digital game codes for Steam and alike, and even then that's only a concern if you get your keys from some third party key seller. Only DVD movies care about the region on a Win98 rig.

So does that mean I don't need to think about it if I'm using my windows 98 pc only for games?

Yes, that's exactly what it means. You can forget the whole region thing even exists, it won't affect you in any way.

DOS/Win98SE: Abit BX133-RAID / P3 650MHz / Voodoo3 3000 / 128MB SDRAM / Audigy 2 / Orpheus
WinXP: Asus P5K / P4 HT 651 3.4GHz (65W) / 6800 GT / 2GB DDR2 / X-Fi
WinXP/7: MSI Z77A-G43 / i5-3570 / GTX 960 / 8GB DDR3 / X-Fi

Reply 13 of 14, by TehGuy

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eyalk4567 wrote on 2022-08-18, 07:36:
Jo22 wrote on 2022-08-18, 07:14:
Windows itself should be fine, I think. […]
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Windows itself should be fine, I think.

The only downsides I can think of modern drives:
- They spin too fast (Nero Drive Speed tool can help)
- They may nolonger support older "books"
- They nolonger can be made RC-0 (used to work via DOS/ATAPI with tools that supported 2000s era drives)
- They nolonger have analog audio.

So for the latter, there won't be music in some CD-ROM games that talk to the drive directly through MCI, not Media Player. *maybe*

It's been a while since I tinkered with this, however.

Its IDE/EIDE and most of them have analog audio. They stopped putting it on SATA drives, I even looked at the manual of the DVD drive that I ordered and it says it has audio cable connection in the back.

from experience, not all drives that have the analog audio connector actually produce audio from said connection. That or I have several broken drives that read/write fine but audio is a no no

Win98+DOS: C3 Ezra-T 1.0AGHz / P3-S 1.26GHz, 128MB RAM, AWE64 + Orpheus + Audigy 2 ZS, Ti 4200, 128GB SD card
Win XP SP3: C2Q 9650, 4GB RAM, X-Fi Titanium, GTX 750
PowerMac G4 QS 800MHz + GeForce4 Ti4200, OS 9
PowerMac G5 DP 1.8Ghz + ATi x800 XT, Leopard

Reply 14 of 14, by eyalk4567

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TehGuy wrote on 2022-08-19, 18:31:
eyalk4567 wrote on 2022-08-18, 07:36:
Jo22 wrote on 2022-08-18, 07:14:
Windows itself should be fine, I think. […]
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Windows itself should be fine, I think.

The only downsides I can think of modern drives:
- They spin too fast (Nero Drive Speed tool can help)
- They may nolonger support older "books"
- They nolonger can be made RC-0 (used to work via DOS/ATAPI with tools that supported 2000s era drives)
- They nolonger have analog audio.

So for the latter, there won't be music in some CD-ROM games that talk to the drive directly through MCI, not Media Player. *maybe*

It's been a while since I tinkered with this, however.

Its IDE/EIDE and most of them have analog audio. They stopped putting it on SATA drives, I even looked at the manual of the DVD drive that I ordered and it says it has audio cable connection in the back.

from experience, not all drives that have the analog audio connector actually produce audio from said connection. That or I have several broken drives that read/write fine but audio is a no no

You can find the manual of the drive and look if it does support it. I searched for a lot of manuals and found that a lot of drives don't have a working digital audio out but do have analog audio out.