Even tho you are moving from one Nvidia GPU to another Im 100% sure the MX200 will work just fine with the 43.49 drivers and you should have been able to just throw the card in and update the drivers to get them to recognize the MX200.

Its odd that you are having issues like that but didn't have any with the 5200, are you 100% sure the MX200 was working well before you put it into the system ? is it possible the card is bad ? do you have another card you can throw in there to test ?

Some other things you could try

Clean the edge connector of both the GPU and the AGP slot with contact cleaner or ISO.
Check to see if the heat sink on the MX is affixed and not just sitting on the card.
Visually check the card to see if there are any broken solder joints, bent/damaged legs on the ICs or missing SMD caps/resistors.
While checking the card also look to see if there are any scratches on the PCB surface, I have had a few cards have this happen to them during shipping.

Dont try to force AGP 4x, the MX200 wont see any benefit from it and it could be causing compatibility issue with your board since it sounds like you have one of the PITA chipsets. The glitches you are seeing sound a lot like memory issues as bad Vram ICs exhibit similar symptoms.

Hi. Those drivers are too late i would go to versions under 10. I have the version 7.xx and it works very good. I have a geforce 2 ti

Tried many drivers. But with later versions i get more errors on late 90s games.

atom1kk wrote on 2022-09-11, 11:53:

Hi. Those drivers are too late i would go to versions under 10. I have the version 7.xx and it works very good. I have a geforce 2 ti

They are but even then they should work without issue, older drivers simply give more performance due to lower driver overhead and you also need to hunt for a specific older driver version which is a PITA.

But . .as a starting place and to help OP out because fuck wasting time hunting old nVidia drivers.

https://www.philscomputerlab.com/nvidia-9x-gr … cs-drivers.html

is a good starting point for older 9x drivers.

For example with game like headz works only with 50% of the drivers after 20.xx. nfs 3 with mostly none. Tried it with also with a gf2 mx on different boards.

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-09-11, 11:52:

Even tho you are moving from one Nvidia GPU to another Im 100% sure the MX200 will work just fine with the 43.49 drivers. […]
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Even tho you are moving from one Nvidia GPU to another Im 100% sure the MX200 will work just fine with the 43.49 drivers.

Its odd that you are having issues like that but didn't have any with the 5200, are you 100% sure the MX200 was working well before you put it into the system ? is it possible the card is bad ?

Some other things you could try

Clean the edge connector of both the GPU and the AGP slot with contact cleaner or ISO.
Check to see if the heat sink on the MX is affixed and not just sitting on the card.
Visually check the card to see if there are any broken solder joints, bent/damaged legs on the ICs or missing SMD caps/resistors.
While checking the card also look to see if there are any scratches on the PCB surface, I have had a few cards have this happen to them during shipping.

Dont try to force AGP 4x, the MX200 wont see any benefit from it and it could be causing compatibility issue with your board since it sounds like you have one of the PITA chipsets. The glitches you are seeing sound a lot like memory issues as bad Vram ICs exhibit similar symptoms.

Thanks for the fast answer Panda 😀

I will double check later the card, its seems it don't have any visible damage as i always treat these hardware with maximum care, i even installed a custom fan on the heatsink that never gave problems. I will try later and test it again.

Yeah, indeed when i installed the MX2 after the swap with the FX5200, it recognized immediately but started to give the problems i mentioned above.

Another sub-question, if i can (thanks again!): there are really no difference between 2X and 4x? Im a little bit obsessed with these things, ikr from 4x to 8x there were a lot of performance boost, but 2x sounds so slow. Shouldn't it be have less bandwith? It would be even fine to deal with the 2x, is a pretty old card and i don't need huge performance games or anything, but just that don't give that problems which make the PC pretty useless and unsable... anyway, thank you for the answer i'll check for good the card and try to swap the S3 and tell you updates, but then again im pretty sure the card works... would be bad if it got damaged as im out of other good cards for now 🙁

i was also thinking to get something like a GeForce 4 ti4200 or ti4600, despite they are very rare and expensive on the net. The FX5200 was incredible good, even if is maybe "too new" put on a old PC meant to play old games. There are any card that you suggest me that have good MS DOS compatibility (Very important for me) and at same time good D3D performance for mid-2000 games like GTA 3, Soldier of Fortune, IGI ecc.?

Thanks 😀

Its a MX200 it honestly has trouble using all the bandwidth of 2x let alone 4x, if it was a GF3 or 4 then sure 4x would be useful, I guess even a GF2ti or Ultra would see a benefit from it, its the same with PCIe cards where the bus wasn't being fully used till just recently and then only by the Halo cards like the 2080ti, 3080ti/3090ti its why moving from PCIe 3 to PCIe 4 wasn't a selling point for the majority of PCs if you understood how bandwidth worked. (NVME SSDs are excluded here because thats a different discussion 😜)

As a suggestion ..any card below the GeForce 6000 series uses the same Vesa 2d core but you could just grab yourself another FX5200 or FX5200 Ultra they are still super cheap, you could grab a GeForce 2 GTS which are also cheap cards, if you want a bit more power then the GF4 Ti200/400 cards are a nice choice and both are still reasonably cheap.

A GeForce4 Ti200 would be my personal choice as its not stupidly powerful yet not under powered for the system you want to use it with.

VenomSpark wrote on 2022-09-11, 11:35:

- Black screen right after Windows 98 boot screen, totally freeze and no response.

I had the same problem on the board with via Apollo Pro and GF2MX400, all drivers causing a black screen after the start of the W98SE (sometimes with a mouse cursor, sometimes with a flashing red-blue rectangle in the upper left corner).
Finally, I tried not to install the VIA AGP driver from the 4in1 package and the problem was over, the 3D acceleration worked as well.
I don't know what the problem was, but this was the only thing that helped me at the time.

One of the best drivers (as in, both fast and stable) for GeForce 2 MX/GTS/PRO/TI/Ultra and GeForce 3 is Detonator 7.76
I've tested this driver hundreds of times over the years and it works great on all relevant platforms (SS7, Slot 1, Slot A, Socket 370, Socket A).

bloodem wrote on 2022-09-11, 13:08:

One of the best drivers (as in, both fast and stable) for GeForce 2 MX/GTS/PRO/TI/Ultra and GeForce 3 is Detonator 7.76
I've tested this driver hundreds of times over the years and it works great on all relevant platforms (SS7, Slot 1, Slot A, Socket 370, Socket A).

thanks for heads up mate! this evening i'll be back home and will try all suggestions, but i'll take a note on this version and download and test it later... fingers crossed 😀

Ydee wrote on 2022-09-11, 13:02:

I had the same problem on the board with via Apollo Pro and GF2MX400, all drivers causing a black screen after the start of the […]
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VenomSpark wrote on 2022-09-11, 11:35:

- Black screen right after Windows 98 boot screen, totally freeze and no response.

I had the same problem on the board with via Apollo Pro and GF2MX400, all drivers causing a black screen after the start of the W98SE (sometimes with a mouse cursor, sometimes with a flashing red-blue rectangle in the upper left corner).
Finally, I tried not to install the VIA AGP driver from the 4in1 package and the problem was over, the 3D acceleration worked as well.
I don't know what the problem was, but this was the only thing that helped me at the time.

Hey mate thanks for suggestion as, indeed, i DO have installed those drivers... i will also try to remove them, thanks for suggestions I really love this place 😀

You experience problems with two different graphics cards. Seems like it's a problem with the motherboard itself. Have you tried the FX 5200 in another machine?
It's not a driver problem but the best drivers for both cards are 45.23.
I have the same motherboard and with a p3 1.0 GHz (133 MHz) bus it won't even boot, at 100 MHz bus it's unstable and hangs, it's only stable at 66 MHz bus.
Caps look good but it's an old mobo you know.
Besides the keyboard sometimes doesn't work, it's that known problem with a surface mounted capacitor near the port.
Edit: after reading the last reply instead of what Ydee says i'd try setting agp aperture to 4 MB in bios. The gart drivers must be installed.

dondiego wrote on 2022-09-11, 14:09:

You experience problems with two different graphics cards. Seems like it's a problem with the motherboard itself. Have you tried […]
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You experience problems with two different graphics cards. Seems like it's a problem with the motherboard itself. Have you tried the FX 5200 in another machine?
It's not a driver problem but the best drivers for both cards are 45.23.
I have the same motherboard and with a p3 1.0 GHz (133 MHz) bus it won't even boot, at 100 MHz bus it's unstable and hangs, it's only stable at 66 MHz bus.
Caps look good but it's an old mobo you know.
Besides the keyboard sometimes doesn't work, it's that known problem with a surface mounted capacitor near the port.
Edit: after reading the last reply instead of what Ydee says i'd try setting agp aperture to 4 MB in bios. The gart drivers must be installed.

Hey i think that 45.23 was the right driver i had with FX5200 which were just perfect. No problems with the intro in Lithtech games, no bugs or freeze but somehow they don't like my GF2MX. Yeah as having a Celeron (i have also P3's but i want stick with my Cely) i must set FSB to 66mhz. Ok i tried to put 4MB as aperture (isn't too low for 64mb card?) and what gart drivers you talk about? thanks 😁

And yeah i think it doesn't boot for the CPU too high maybe? the highest P3 i have is a 866Mhz and runs perfectly at 133mhz, in the end is a 2000's mobo. I have other two different motherboards, from different manufacturer and guess what? 😁 they ALL have Apollo 133A -_- is a curse man... idk why this chip is so bad..

An FX 5200 / FX 5500 costs like $10, they are very affordable. I have a couple of those and they sit idle in my cabinet. Another option is GeForce MX 400/440, I have those as well. Always have a spare card. I have a spare FX 5600 and 7600GT as well.

If you're a fan of Mendocinos then buy a few 366s (they are very cheap) and overclock it to 550. I got like 10 Mendocinos, cost me about $3 each.

I'm surprised that ASUS CUV4X-E is that bad. Sounds like a dying board. I have ASUS CUBX and it's a great board. I'm not using it just because I built my PIII rig with ECS before I got ASUS CUBX.

Regarding AGP aperture size - the best option is to use the highest value that works, but does not exceed system memory size. It only determines how much system memory is theoretically available as AGP memory to the graphics card. 4MB is likely not enough. On my PIII I use 64MB as 128MB fails to boot into Windows 98. On my Athlon 64 I use 256MB aperture size as that is the highest value.

The idea was to disable agp and see if it works instead of unistalling the agp driver. But i don't think that will help, like i've said it's a 22 year old motherboard.

Sounds like a failing MX200. Curious what version of DirectX are you running, iirc the MX200/400's only support thru DX7 where the FX5200 thru Dx9. It could be a DirectX issue but doubt it.....

bloodem wrote on 2022-09-11, 13:08:

One of the best drivers (as in, both fast and stable) for GeForce 2 MX/GTS/PRO/TI/Ultra and GeForce 3 is Detonator 7.76
I've tested this driver hundreds of times over the years and it works great on all relevant platforms (SS7, Slot 1, Slot A, Socket 370, Socket A).

Vogons driver library is missing this version. Care to upload?

smtkr wrote on 2022-09-11, 18:24:

Vogons driver library is missing this version. Care to upload?

It's there, just with slightly different name so at a glance it might look like it's missing.

http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?file … 746&menustate=0

Horun wrote on 2022-09-11, 17:52:

Sounds like a failing MX200. Curious what version of DirectX are you running, iirc the MX200/400's only support thru DX7 where the FX5200 thru Dx9. It could be a DirectX issue but doubt it.....

Supports DX9 and actually being able to use DX9 are two very different things for the FX5200, I would even go so far as to simply say it supports 7 and 8 and pretends to support 9.

TrashPanda wrote on 2022-09-12, 02:20:

Horun wrote on 2022-09-11, 17:52:

Sounds like a failing MX200. Curious what version of DirectX are you running, iirc the MX200/400's only support thru DX7 where the FX5200 thru Dx9. It could be a DirectX issue but doubt it.....

Supports DX9 and actually being able to use DX9 are two very different things for the FX5200, I would even go so far as to simply say it supports 7 and 8 and pretends to support 9.

True ! "Support" and "fully use" are two different things 😀