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First post, by pete8475

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I've had a bunch of parts sitting around not being used and have decided to build an "overkill" Pentium 4 machine running Windows XP.

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Intel Pentium 4 661 (3.60GHZ, LGA775)
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R Rev 2.0
4GB DDR2-800 RAM
120GB Kingston SSD
Geforce GTX770 2GB

There is also a 3.80GHZ 775 P4 available from Chinese sellers on ebay but the prices are silly.

For fun I'm going to run benchmarks to compare the performance with the GTX770 to a 750TI and a 710 (all 2GB versions).

Why am I doing this? No idea, I just have a weird nostalgia for the P4 era and was very annoyed with my RD-RAM P4 build not being able to have 2GB of 1066 RD-RAM, so I'm taking things up a level with a 775 CPU and DDR2 memory.

EDIT - benchmark results
GT710 (64bit mem bandwidth version)
3dmark01 - 21795
3dmark03 - 16525
3dmark05 - 8611
Aquamark3- 75532
UT2003 1280x960
Flyby - 83.222321
Botmatch - 70.535759

GTX750TI
3dmark01 - 28234
3dmark03 - 42398
3dmark05 - 9127
Aquamark3- 80069
UT2003 1280x960
Flyby - 254.306580
Botmatch - 80.257607

GTX770
3dmark01 - 28298
3dmark03 - 44264
3dmark05 - 9125
Aquamark3- 80905
UT2003 1280x960
Flyby - 257.273712
Botmatch - 81.193909

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Reply 1 of 64, by X86

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Yeah 3.8 ghz P4s are pricey because they are the highest clocked ones out of the series... 4.0 ghz was canceled.... spare parts builds are fun... sounds like a good rainy day project to me.

Reply 2 of 64, by TrashPanda

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The 661 is a great CPU and that 670 3.8Ghz model is one of the Presshot versions which I cant recommend buying even if it was cheap.

Just bump the 661 to 3.8, you'll still have a better CPU than the Presshot model, I ran mine at 4.0 for ages.

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Reply 3 of 64, by rasz_pl

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>Pentium 4 661 3.60 GHz

Release Date: Jan 5th, 2006
Release price: $401

Wonder if its slower than Conroe based Celeron 420 1.6 GHz 😀 Those went from 8x200 stock all the way to 8x333 without breaking a sweet and cost something stupid like $35 when I got mine back in the day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_C … _based_Celerons
Release Date: June 2007
Release price: $39

Reply 4 of 64, by pete8475

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rasz_pl wrote on 2022-11-26, 02:39:
>Pentium 4 661 3.60 GHz […]
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>Pentium 4 661 3.60 GHz

Release Date: Jan 5th, 2006
Release price: $401

Wonder if its slower than Conroe based Celeron 420 1.6 GHz 😀 Those went from 8x200 stock all the way to 8x333 without breaking a sweet and cost something stupid like $35 when I got mine back in the day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_C … _based_Celerons
Release Date: June 2007
Release price: $39

I'm willing to buy one on ebay to test this out!

EDIT - A 430 can be obtained for about $13 Canadian on ebay with shipping. The 420 CPU itself is cheap but shipping is like $60+ for the two I can find.

Should I get the 430?

Reply 5 of 64, by rasz_pl

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same cpu, just different multiplier lock, mine did 340MHz fsb with 1.45V on GA-965P-DS3. Used it all the way to 2014.

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Reply 6 of 64, by pete8475

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rasz_pl wrote on 2022-11-26, 02:58:

same cpu, just different multiplier lock, mine did 340MHz fsb with 1.45V on GA-965P-DS3. Used it all the way to 2014.
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I found a 420 from the same seller as the 430 for the same price so I ordered one. 🤣

I don't know why I do these things sometimes.

Reply 7 of 64, by pete8475

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Did some quick playing around with the FSB and so far the CPU seems stable at 4.19.

Noticeable gains in 3dmark05 and UT2003 results.

05 - 10451 3dmarks
UT2003 1280x960
Flyby - 288.409454
Botmatch - 91.150520

EDIT:
Posting from the P4 system here and it seems stable at 4.32GHZ so far.
3dmark01 - 32627
3dmark03 - 51658
3dmark05 - 10718
Aquamark3- 91001
UT2003 1280x960
Flyby - 297.236755
Botmatch - 93.881531

I'll probably try and squeeze a bit more out of the CPU on the weekend but it's getting late tonight and I'm tired.

Reply 8 of 64, by The Serpent Rider

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Cedar Mill can go up to 4.5Ghz relatively easy. After that, required voltage rise will lead to quite high TDP, but 5Ghz is totally possible on air.

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Reply 9 of 64, by Sombrero

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Saying P4 is overkill for WinXP is a bit overkill by itself 😀

Cedar Mills are very speed comparative with earlier P4's, they didn't gain speed during 2004-2006 much at all. My one step below 651 started to get CPU bottlenecked with some games from 2004 with a 9800 GTX+, you are leaving a lot of GPU speed on the table with those kinds of cards.

DOS/Win98SE: Abit BX133-RAID / P3 650MHz / Voodoo3 3000 / 128MB SDRAM / SB Live! / Orpheus
WinXP: Asus P5K / P4 HT 651 3.4GHz (D0) / 6800 GT / 2GB DDR2 / X-Fi
WinXP/7: MSI Z77A-G43 / i5-3570 / GTX 960 / 8GB DDR3 / X-Fi

Reply 10 of 64, by TrashPanda

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Sombrero wrote on 2022-11-26, 06:23:

Saying P4 is overkill for WinXP is a bit overkill by itself 😀

Cedar Mills are very speed comparative with earlier P4's, they didn't gain speed during 2004-2006 much at all. My one step below 651 started to get CPU bottlenecked with some games from 2004 with a 9800 GTX+, you are leaving a lot of GPU speed on the table with those kinds of cards.

If we are being fair here the 9800GTX+ GPU is a Janurary 2009 GPU so its no surprise that the last of the Pentium4 CPUs cant keep up with it, A better match for the 651/661 would be a 6800 Ultra or a 7800 series GPU, in the OPs case they are simply removing the GPU being a bottleneck from their testing to get a better view of what that P4 can actually do when unrestrained.

That said .. the GT710 they are going to test with .. what a fucking piece of shit ...id rather throw a FX5200 64bit GPU in there than ever touch a GT710.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 11 of 64, by Sombrero

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-11-26, 07:51:
Sombrero wrote on 2022-11-26, 06:23:

Saying P4 is overkill for WinXP is a bit overkill by itself 😀

Cedar Mills are very speed comparative with earlier P4's, they didn't gain speed during 2004-2006 much at all. My one step below 651 started to get CPU bottlenecked with some games from 2004 with a 9800 GTX+, you are leaving a lot of GPU speed on the table with those kinds of cards.

If we are being fair here the 9800GTX+ GPU is a Janurary 2009 GPU so its no surprise that the last of the Pentium4 CPUs cant keep up with it, A better match for the 651/661 would be a 6800 Ultra or a 7800 series GPU, in the OPs case they are simply removing the GPU being a bottleneck from their testing to get a better view of what that P4 can actually do when unrestrained.

Of course, that's why I've got 6800 GT in there now. I just had the 9800 GTX+ until I found a more suitable card that didn't cost arm and a leg. I also do realise it's just for fun, I was just amused by the whole P4 overkill thing.

DOS/Win98SE: Abit BX133-RAID / P3 650MHz / Voodoo3 3000 / 128MB SDRAM / SB Live! / Orpheus
WinXP: Asus P5K / P4 HT 651 3.4GHz (D0) / 6800 GT / 2GB DDR2 / X-Fi
WinXP/7: MSI Z77A-G43 / i5-3570 / GTX 960 / 8GB DDR3 / X-Fi

Reply 12 of 64, by pete8475

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Sombrero wrote on 2022-11-26, 08:23:

Of course, that's why I've got 6800 GT in there now. I just had the 9800 GTX+ until I found a more suitable card that didn't cost arm and a leg. I also do realise it's just for fun, I was just amused by the whole P4 overkill thing.

Definitely for fun, hence the "silly overkill" title.

I just wanted fastest P4 I could put together without really spending any money.

I was using a 3.06 with 1.5GB of 1066 RDRAM and a Quadro FX3000 for graphics but it irked me that it was unstable with the full 2GB of 1066 memory, so I put together this silly machine to replace it.

Reply 13 of 64, by pete8475

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-11-26, 04:40:

Cedar Mill can go up to 4.5Ghz relatively easy. After that, required voltage rise will lead to quite high TDP, but 5Ghz is totally possible on air.

That's hilariously awesome.

I will definitely try for more later today.

EDIT - 4500 seems stable so far!

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Reply 14 of 64, by pete8475

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-11-26, 07:51:

That said .. the GT710 they are going to test with .. what a fucking piece of shit ...id rather throw a FX5200 64bit GPU in there than ever touch a GT710.

That 710 ran Excel and Quickbooks very competently for a long time thank you very much. 🤣

Reply 15 of 64, by TrashPanda

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pete8475 wrote on 2022-11-26, 15:44:
TrashPanda wrote on 2022-11-26, 07:51:

That said .. the GT710 they are going to test with .. what a fucking piece of shit ...id rather throw a FX5200 64bit GPU in there than ever touch a GT710.

That 710 ran Excel and Quickbooks very competently for a long time thank you very much. 🤣

Dont make me throw a FX5200 at you.

Speaking such heresy.

*I guess it was acceptable under XP.

Oh noes, the cap let the shmooo out 😁

Reply 16 of 64, by pete8475

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4.68 boots into windows with 1.4v vcore, it does bluescreen crash when trying to run anything CPU intensive though.

4.75 doesn't finish booting windows and gets an IRQL_NOT_LESS_THAN_EQUAL bluescreen.

It's so silly having a p4 at this clockspeed, youtube is very usable now! (at 720P, 1080P is a no)

Should I go much higher on the cpu voltage? I didn't play around with these processors much back in the day, don't know what their limits really are.

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Reply 17 of 64, by pete8475

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TrashPanda wrote on 2022-11-26, 16:04:

Dont make me throw a FX5200 at you.

Speaking such heresy.

*I guess it was acceptable under XP.

heh does it have the 128bit memory? I'll take one of t hose! 😁

Reply 18 of 64, by The Serpent Rider

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You can push it around 1.5v safely, if cooler is capable enough. Heat dissipation won't be pretty and you need to stay below 70C.

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Reply 19 of 64, by pete8475

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The Serpent Rider wrote on 2022-11-27, 15:24:

You can push it around 1.5v safely, if cooler is capable enough. Heat dissipation won't be pretty and you need to stay below 70C.

Well I have fairly chunky tower cooler on there, I'll see what happens with 1.5v!

EDIT:

This is so silly, so far we're up to 4787mhz. 🤣

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