Unreal and Morrowind are two very different games with very different requirements.

Unreal should run at 30+ FPS on your PC (averages should be more around 50 - 60 FPS).
Morrowind, on the other hand... yeah, you can probably hope to hit a ~ 15 FPS average. 😀 This game really needs something like a GeForce FX 5700 Ultra (notice the "Ultra", it's very important 😁 ) or faster.

Having said that, my advice is to also try older drivers (for games released before 2001). Detonator 7.76 works very well with pretty much all period correct games.

bloodem wrote on 2023-04-07, 19:14:

Unreal and Morrowind are two very different games with very different requirements. […]
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Unreal and Morrowind are two very different games with very different requirements.

Unreal should run at 30+ FPS on your PC (averages should be more around 50 - 60 FPS).
Morrowind, on the other hand... yeah, you can probably hope to hit a ~ 15 FPS average. 😀 This game really needs something like a GeForce FX 5700 Ultra (notice the "Ultra", it's very important 😁 ) or faster.

Having said that, my advice is to also try older drivers (for games released before 2001). Detonator 7.76 works very well with pretty much all period correct games.

Cheers for that advice, I should've known the Bethesda title would require more power (besides being newer). Have you got a good link for the 7.76 driver? I've seen mention of it in threads on here before but the copy on VOGONS drivers never worked, and seems to be incomplete. Oldest Detonator drivers I can find is the one I tried.

You haven't stated the board you're using. Intel 440BX or Via 694X (T) is necessary for decent performance. Swap the Celeron for a PIII 1Ghz or 900E as they are superior.

GN323 wrote on 2023-04-07, 20:17:

bloodem wrote on 2023-04-07, 19:14:

Unreal and Morrowind are two very different games with very different requirements. […]
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Unreal and Morrowind are two very different games with very different requirements.

Unreal should run at 30+ FPS on your PC (averages should be more around 50 - 60 FPS).
Morrowind, on the other hand... yeah, you can probably hope to hit a ~ 15 FPS average. 😀 This game really needs something like a GeForce FX 5700 Ultra (notice the "Ultra", it's very important 😁 ) or faster.

Having said that, my advice is to also try older drivers (for games released before 2001). Detonator 7.76 works very well with pretty much all period correct games.

Cheers for that advice, I should've known the Bethesda title would require more power (besides being newer). Have you got a good link for the 7.76 driver? I've seen mention of it in threads on here before but the copy on VOGONS drivers never worked, and seems to be incomplete. Oldest Detonator drivers I can find is the one I tried.

The 7.76 driver on Vogons is fine, but it doesn't work the way that later Nvidia driver installers do. Here's a tutorial that shows how to manually install a driver with Windows 98 - this is the same procedure you'll need to use to install the 7.76 Nvidia driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGxknBU0fMo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC4H94-O8fI
one generation too slow for morrowind

As others have said... motherboard?

Get rid of the Celeron.

Also, I've never been a fan of that mx400 card....

bloodem wrote on 2023-04-07, 19:14:

Unreal and Morrowind are two very different games with very different requirements. […]
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Unreal and Morrowind are two very different games with very different requirements.

Unreal should run at 30+ FPS on your PC (averages should be more around 50 - 60 FPS).
Morrowind, on the other hand... yeah, you can probably hope to hit a ~ 15 FPS average. 😀 This game really needs something like a GeForce FX 5700 Ultra (notice the "Ultra", it's very important 😁 ) or faster.

Having said that, my advice is to also try older drivers (for games released before 2001). Detonator 7.76 works very well with pretty much all period correct games.

Morrowind came out about the same time as the Geforce 4 and lots of people played it on Geforce 4s with all of settings cranked. But given that it came out with the Geforce 4, you have to believe the developer expected people to play it on lesser hardware with some settings turned down.

smtkr wrote on 2023-04-08, 05:38:

Morrowind came out about the same time as the Geforce 4 and lots of people played it on Geforce 4s with all of settings cranked. But given that it came out with the Geforce 4, you have to believe the developer expected people to play it on lesser hardware with some settings turned down.

Yeah, well, it really depends on your expectations. If you want a consistent 60 FPS at higher resolutions, you're looking at high-end 2003/2004+ hardware. When it came out I actually played it on an Athlon XP 2200+ with a GeForce 3 Ti 200. It was... OK/"playable", for the time (15 - 25 FPS at 800 x 600), but it was far from playable by more modern standards. Of course, something like a Radeon 9700PRO (also from 2002), or a high-end GeForce FX would be enough for an enjoyable experience (but still NOT perfect at higher resolutions). In 2023, I for one would not play it on anything slower than a Radeon X800/X850 or GeForce 6800. I suffered enough back in the day... 😁
Then again, if I have a nostalgic moment, I might go for the "kill-me-now-I-hate-this-performance" approach. 😁

I tried Morrowind couple weeks ago on my P4 3.4GHz / 6800 GT system and it ran like crap in the starting town all maxed out at 1024x768.

I guess I could have gotten ok framerate by lowering draw distance but the game crashed during character creation and I decided to wait till OpenMW gets to 1.0 🤣

AlexZ wrote on 2023-04-07, 20:19:

You haven't stated the board you're using. Intel 440BX or Via 694X (T) is necessary for decent performance. Swap the Celeron for a PIII 1Ghz or 900E as they are superior.

Was planning on doing a CPU upgrade, as for the mobo, it's a Gigabyte GA-6OMM7E socket 370 board.

Repo Man11 wrote on 2023-04-07, 20:28:

GN323 wrote on 2023-04-07, 20:17:

bloodem wrote on 2023-04-07, 19:14:

Unreal and Morrowind are two very different games with very different requirements. […]
Show full quote

Unreal and Morrowind are two very different games with very different requirements.

Unreal should run at 30+ FPS on your PC (averages should be more around 50 - 60 FPS).
Morrowind, on the other hand... yeah, you can probably hope to hit a ~ 15 FPS average. 😀 This game really needs something like a GeForce FX 5700 Ultra (notice the "Ultra", it's very important 😁 ) or faster.

Having said that, my advice is to also try older drivers (for games released before 2001). Detonator 7.76 works very well with pretty much all period correct games.

Cheers for that advice, I should've known the Bethesda title would require more power (besides being newer). Have you got a good link for the 7.76 driver? I've seen mention of it in threads on here before but the copy on VOGONS drivers never worked, and seems to be incomplete. Oldest Detonator drivers I can find is the one I tried.

The 7.76 driver on Vogons is fine, but it doesn't work the way that later Nvidia driver installers do. Here's a tutorial that shows how to manually install a driver with Windows 98 - this is the same procedure you'll need to use to install the 7.76 Nvidia driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGxknBU0fMo

Cheers for this, I'll try it out today.

GN323 wrote on 2023-04-08, 09:04:

AlexZ wrote on 2023-04-07, 20:19:

You haven't stated the board you're using. Intel 440BX or Via 694X (T) is necessary for decent performance. Swap the Celeron for a PIII 1Ghz or 900E as they are superior.

Was planning on doing a CPU upgrade, as for the mobo, it's a Gigabyte GA-6OMM7E socket 370 board.

you could even run Tualatins on this board with some mods, but forget upgrading CPU just to play Morrowind. Morrowind simply wont happen in a playable fashion on this generation of hardware.

As for cutting details to play on slow systems - Pixelmusement did a video covering Oblivion 😀 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o87ttqRQB58 its not something you would want to do.

rasz_pl wrote on 2023-04-08, 19:51:

GN323 wrote on 2023-04-08, 09:04:

AlexZ wrote on 2023-04-07, 20:19:

You haven't stated the board you're using. Intel 440BX or Via 694X (T) is necessary for decent performance. Swap the Celeron for a PIII 1Ghz or 900E as they are superior.

Was planning on doing a CPU upgrade, as for the mobo, it's a Gigabyte GA-6OMM7E socket 370 board.

you could even run Tualatins on this board with some mods, but forget upgrading CPU just to play Morrowind. Morrowind simply wont happen in a playable fashion on this generation of hardware.

As for cutting details to play on slow systems - Pixelmusement did a video covering Oblivion 😀 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o87ttqRQB58 its not something you would want to do.

Yeah morrowinds out the window at this point 🤣. More aiming for unreal and half life.

Unreal and Half-Life run great on my PIII 900E, including other titles such as Soldier of Fortune, Return to Castle Wolfenstein.

Just out of curiosity, I installed Morrowind with the latest Bloodmoon patch on my current testbench setup and it's surprisingly playable at 1024x768.

Windows 98SE
1.13GHz Pentium III-S
512MB CAS 2 PC133
Geforce 2 GTS 64MB

The water looks terrible and dull since we don't have shaders. But you could play through it on this setup and have a good time if you didn't know some visuals are missing.

I still wouldn't recommend it, since we're 20 years after the fact and you can just buy better hardware to play it (or better yet, play it on a modern system).

smtkr wrote on 2023-04-11, 01:17:

Just out of curiosity, I installed Morrowind with the latest Bloodmoon patch on my current testbench setup and it's surprisingly […]
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Just out of curiosity, I installed Morrowind with the latest Bloodmoon patch on my current testbench setup and it's surprisingly playable at 1024x768.

Windows 98SE
1.13GHz Pentium III-S
512MB CAS 2 PC133
Geforce 2 GTS 64MB

The water looks terrible and dull since we don't have shaders. But you could play through it on this setup and have a good time if you didn't know some visuals are missing.

I still wouldn't recommend it, since we're 20 years after the fact and you can just buy better hardware to play it (or better yet, play it on a modern system).

Yeah, I should have known Morrowind was a stretch, but i'm still pretty new to this hobby. I'll likely be building an XP rig in the near future, so i'll save it for that.