bloodem wrote on 2023-07-26, 07:03:

The Athlon XP 2800+ (which is most likely a Barton, though it could also be a "Thoroughbred"), is a VERY powerful CPU. In fact, […]
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gamefan_851 wrote on 2023-07-26, 06:11:

Would you say that the Athlon XP 2800+ is decent cpu?

The Athlon XP 2800+ (which is most likely a Barton, though it could also be a "Thoroughbred"), is a VERY powerful CPU.
In fact, it might be a bit too powerful, which is why I recommended a slower Athlon XP.
The issue with the majority of Socket A motherboards is the fact that they draw most of their power from the PSU's 5V rail. An Athlon XP 2800+ will be very power hungry and most modern PSUs won't work reliably (or won't work at all), since they have very weak 5V & 3.3V rails. Phil has a video where he demonstrates the behavior you can expect depending on how hungry the CPU and video card are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efK7mw8eYiE
Of course, if you can find a good quality PSU that offers at least 25 amps on the 5V & 3.3V rails, then the Barton 2800+ will be a beast.

Here are my notes from a few years ago, when I tested a Barton 2600+:

AMD Athlon XP 2600+ Benchmarks

MOTHERBOARD: Asus A7V880
RAM: Geil 512MB DDR400
GPU: MSI nVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti 4400 / nVIDIA driver 30.82
SOUND CARD: Yamaha YMF724F-V

1. AMD Athlon XP "Barton" 2600+ STOCK @ 1916 MHz (FSB 166MHz x 11.5)

3DMARK2001SE - 10714
3DMARK2000 - 14672
3DMARK99 - 16149

GLQuake 640 x 480 x 16 ---> 763.8 FPS
GLQuake 1024 x 768 x 32 ---> 413.3 FPS
GLQuake 1280 x 960 x 32 ---> 290.0 FPS
Quake 2 SOFTWARE 640 x 480 x 16 ---> FPS (sound: High & Max Performance)
Quake 2 640 x 480 x 16 ---> 491.1 FPS (sound: High & Max Performance)
Quake 2 1024 x 768 x 32 ---> 450.6 FPS (sound: High & Max Performance)
Quake 2 1024 x 768 x 32 ---> 359.8 FPS (sound: High & Max Performance)
Quake 3 640 x 480 x 16 ---> 204.6 FPS
Quake 3 1024 x 768 x 32 ---> 201.5 FPS
Quake 3 1280 x 1024 x 32 ---> 181.9 FPS
Expendable 640 x 480 x 16 ---> AVG 172.04 / High: 232 / Low: 123 (no sound)
Expendable 640 x 480 x 16 ---> AVG 164.51 / High: 219 / Low: 115 (with sound -> EAX)

2. AMD Athlon XP "Barton" 2600+ OVERCLOCKED @ 2300 MHz (FSB 200MHz x 11.5)

3DMARK2001SE - 11525
3DMARK2000 - 16115
3DMARK99 - 18492

GLQuake 640 x 480 x 16 ---> 838.0 FPS
GLQuake 1024 x 768 x 32 ---> 413.4 FPS
GLQuake 1280 x 960 x 32 ---> 289.9 FPS
Quake 2 SOFTWARE 640 x 480 x 16 ---> 101.8 FPS (sound: High & Max Performance)
Quake 2 640 x 480 x 16 ---> 563.8 FPS (sound: High & Max Performance)
Quake 2 1024 x 768 x 32 ---> 488.0 FPS (sound: High & Max Performance)
Quake 2 1600 x 1200 x 32 ---> 363.6 FPS (sound: High & Max Performance)
Quake 3 640 x 480 x 16 ---> 244.9 FPS
Quake 3 1024 x 768 x 32 ---> 235.2 FPS
Quake 3 1280 x 1024 x 32 ---> 199.8 FPS
Quake 3 1600 x 1200 x 32 ---> 150.1 FPS
Expendable 640 x 480 x 16 ---> AVG 204.16 / High: 267 / Low: 146 (no sound)
Expendable 640 x 480 x 16 ---> AVG 196.56 / High: 259 / Low: 140 (with sound -> EAX)

And, just for comparison, here are some similar benchmarks from one of my Tualatin builds:

Intel Pentium 3 Tualatin 1.4 GHz Benchmarks

MOTHERBOARD: Abit ST6
CPU: Pentum 3-S Tualatin 1.4 GHz
RAM: 512MB PC133
GPU: Gainward nVIDIA GeForce 4 Ti 4200 / nVIDIA driver 30.82
SOUND CARD Creative Sound Blaster Live 5.1 SB0100

3DMark99Max: 11065 3D marks / 21757 CPU marks
3DMark2000: 10129 3D marks / 697 CPU marks
3DMark2001: 8112 3D marks

GLQuake 640 x 480 x 16: 564.9 FPS
GLQuake 1024 x 768 x 32: 333.8 FPS
GLQuake 1024 x 768 x 32: 219.6 FPS

Quake 2 640 x 480 x 16: 334.8 FPS
Quake 2 1024 x 768 x 32: 321.1 FPS
Quake 2 1280 x 960 x 32: 270.6 FPS

Quake 3 640 x 480 x 16: 134.7 FPS
Quake 3 1024 x 768 x 32: 133.2 FPS
Quake 3 1280 x 1024 x 32: 124.6 FPS

Expendable 640 x 480 x 16: AVG 103.92 FPS / HIGH 151 FPS / LOW 72 FPS (NO SOUND)
Expendable 640 x 480 x 16: AVG 101.56 FPS / HIGH 142 FPS / LOW 67 FPS (WITH SOUND - EAX)
Expendable 1024 x 768 x 32: AVG 100.15 FPS / HIGH 149 FPS / LOW 67 FPS (WITH SOUND - EAX)
Expendable 1280 x 1024 x 32: AVG 96.52 FPS / HIGH 135 FPS / LOW 66 FPS (WITH SOUND - EAX)

Unreal Tournament 640 x 480 x 16: AVG 51.65 FPS / HIGH 85.84 FPS / 31.69 FPS
Unreal Tournament 1024 x 768 x 32: AVG 49.27 FPS / HIGH 74.53 FPS / 29.45 FPS
Unreal Tournament 1280 x 1024 x 32: AVG 48.49 FPS / HIGH 73.86 FPS / 29.14 FPS

Thanks a lot for posting the bechmarks. That was really interesting to read.

it makes that the athlon xp 2800+ might be bit too powerful for the my set up.

Looking for a slower athlon xp might be a good idea.

Is there certain slower Athlon Xp you would recommend?

An Athlon XP-M Mobile Barton with the IQYHA stepping would be the best Socket A variant. A free multiplier, only 1.45V default voltage and you can also change the multiplier on the fly.

Should run on any desktop Socket A motherboard, which can handle Bartons.

bloodem wrote on 2023-07-26, 07:03:

The issue with the majority of Socket A motherboards is the fact that they draw most of their power from the PSU's 5V rail.

If you set yourself the goal of buying exactly the motherboard, and not the asus, then everything is just fine.

Meet this handsome man, the "the king of nforce" - Soltek FRN2-RL "Golden flame"

shevalier wrote on 2023-07-26, 16:07:

If you set yourself the goal of buying exactly the motherboard, and not the asus, then everything is just fine.

Yes, there are some nForce2 boards which have the P4 12V power connector. However, the main advantage and number one reason for going with a Socket A platform (at least for me), is the fact that it can work as a time machine (allowing you to play both Win98 and DOS games - even the ones that are very speed sensitive/difficult to run). Since nForce chipsets are unusable in DOS, they are far from being my first recommendation. I do have an nForce 3 Ultra + Athlon 64 4000+ (dual boot WinXP/Win98 PC), and it's a nice and stable build which works great in both operating systems. But, because of the aforementioned issues, I only played with it once in the past 4 years.

gamefan_851 wrote on 2023-07-26, 10:52:

Is there certain slower Athlon Xp you would recommend?

NostalgicAslinger's recommendation is good, but those CPUs are more rare and can be quite expensive.
Personally, I recommend an earlier and slow Thoroughbred-B CPU, like the Athlon XP 1700+ AXDA1700DUT3C. It's sufficiently fast, very cheap, you won't need a PSU with a strong 5V rail for it, it has an unlocked multiplier (you can downclock it to 5 x 100 MHz FSB on an Asus A7V600-X), and it's also a pretty good overclocker (in case you want to try that out).

NostalgicAslinger wrote on 2023-07-26, 13:35:

An Athlon XP-M Mobile Barton with the IQYHA stepping would be the best Socket A variant. A free multiplier, only 1.45V default voltage and you can also change the multiplier on the fly.

Should run on any desktop Socket A motherboard, which can handle Bartons.

Thanks a lot for the your recommendation. I will look into that

bloodem wrote on 2023-07-26, 17:14:

Yes, there are some nForce2 boards which have the P4 12V power connector. However, the main advantage and number one reason for […]
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shevalier wrote on 2023-07-26, 16:07:

If you set yourself the goal of buying exactly the motherboard, and not the asus, then everything is just fine.

Yes, there are some nForce2 boards which have the P4 12V power connector. However, the main advantage and number one reason for going with a Socket A platform (at least for me), is the fact that it can work as a time machine (allowing you to play both Win98 and DOS games - even the ones that are very speed sensitive/difficult to run). Since nForce chipsets are unusable in DOS, they are far from being my first recommendation. I do have an nForce 3 Ultra + Athlon 64 4000+ (dual boot WinXP/Win98 PC), and it's a nice and stable build which works great in both operating systems. But, because of the aforementioned issues, I only played with it once in the past 4 years.

gamefan_851 wrote on 2023-07-26, 10:52:

Is there certain slower Athlon Xp you would recommend?

NostalgicAslinger's recommendation is good, but those CPUs are more rare and can be quite expensive.
Personally, I recommend an earlier and slow Thoroughbred-B CPU, like the Athlon XP 1700+ AXDA1700DUT3C. It's sufficiently fast, very cheap, you won't need a PSU with a strong 5V rail for it, it has an unlocked multiplier (you can downclock it to 5 x 100 MHz FSB on an Asus A7V600-X), and it's also a pretty good overclocker (in case you want to try that out).

Thanks for your recommendation as well. Something like the athlon xp 1700+ also sounds like a good choice because it is cheap and I do not have to worry that much about the PSU.

I am not into over clocking yet but I want to learn more about it in the long run.

I also really like your time machine approach. That's what I want.

For the early win 98Se era games until 1998 I have my first rig the intel bx 440 system with the good old pentium 2 400 mhz and a riva tnt card.

For late win 98se games from 1999 to 2001 and onwards a socket A system with athlon xp 1400 would be very good choice I think.

Athlon XP-M with the IQYHA steppings are the best K7 Barton core versions, also overclocks like hell, with air cooling to 2,4-2,6GHz. I have a 2600+ IQYHA from week 51/year 2003, which runs fine with 2500MHz, 1.65V VCore Desktop Barton Default Voltage. I still have this CPU, bought in the year 2004 as pretested 2,6GHz (1,75V) for my NForce2 main system at that time.

As you can see, 1450Mhz with ony 1.05V VCore, but you need a Socket A mainboard, which allows these low voltages: Re: (Un)lucky Athlon XP-M

A few other threads:
athlon xp-m overclocking
Abit KT7A (KT133A/VIA686B), Athlon XP Mobile 2500+
Athlon XP Mobile / Geode build - need advice with multiplier selection and older motherboards

The 1700+ Thoroughbred B is a good alternative, and easier to find. The JIUHB stepping was the best version of the 1700s. Good ones are going to ~2,3Ghz with only 1,7V.

If you want a reasonable priced Tualatin board you just need to search the listing where peope dont know what they have. I have found more than a few capable boards that have coppermines in them but are 815 b-step boards.

• I got a Tyan S2080GN (815ep) that came out of an old security camera server, the boards are not really marked well like the S2080s but I was able to do some research and see what it was.
• I got a PCPartner board that is essentially something close to a AP133AAS3-205C (VT82C694T), I believe it was some form of OEM version of that board as there was pretty much no markings and the Bios string is slightly different than I see on any of the regular consumer sold boards. I was able to do research and figure out what it was (mostly) before getting it.
• I got a Gateway (Intel D815EFVU) board that is a version of a D815EFV that is missing its AGP slot. Not a problem if you have a PCI V3.... only prob I have with it is they must have limited the bios to not take tualatin server cpus. Still need to look into bios and figure it out - 1.475v cpus work but 1.45v ones will not, even in a Lin-Lin set to 1.5v
• I got my ASUS TUSL-C from that seller I mentioned earlier in the thread and just got lucky with that one.

CPUs are a bit harder, like 1.5-2 years ago someone on Ebay was selling 65+ 1.4Ghz for around $16 each. I think I was around the 5th buyer and I took 4 and I see the buyers ahead of me each just took between 2-5 each then some profiteer came behind me and bought up all the rest of the stock. I could have done that but I was hoping many others would get a chance to get reasonable priced cpus, I noticed weeks later that about the same # of cpus that were all bought out after me appeared on Ebay for around $75 a piece. (shakes head)

Wow, the thread has been turned into an Athlon system discussion. That's a rather off topic but I still do not mind cause I am also on the verge to get turned into seriously considering a mid to low-range socket A system with athlon xp as new home for my gainward geforce 4 4200 ti. Make sense money wise. I still think Tualatins are cool but if I can do something with similar performance for a much lower price that's the way to go.

But my research about the Tualatin is not finished yet.

Grem Five wrote on 2023-07-26, 19:55:

If you want a reasonably priced Tualatin board you just need to search the listing where people don't know what they have. I hav […]
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If you want a reasonably priced Tualatin board you just need to search the listing where people don't know what they have. I have found more than a few capable boards that have Coppermine in them but are 815 b-step boards.

• I got a Tyan S2080GN (815ep) that came out of an old security camera server, the boards are not really marked well like the S2080s but I was able to do some research and see what it was.
• I got a PCPartner board that is essentially something close to a AP133AAS3-205C (VT82C694T), I believe it was some form of OEM version of that board as there was pretty much no markings and the Bios string is slightly different than I see on any of the regular consumer sold boards. I was able to do research and figure out what it was (mostly) before getting it.
• I got a Gateway (Intel D815EFVU) board that is a version of a D815EFV that is missing its AGP slot. Not a problem if you have a PCI V3.... only prob I have with it is they must have limited the bios to not take tualatin server cpus. Still need to look into bios and figure it out - 1.475v cpus work but 1.45v ones will not, even in a Lin-Lin set to 1.5v
• I got my ASUS TUSL-C from that seller I mentioned earlier in the thread and just got lucky with that one.

CPUs are a bit harder, like 1.5-2 years ago someone on Ebay was selling 65+ 1.4Ghz for around $16 each. I think I was around the 5th buyer and I took 4 and I see the buyers ahead of me each just took between 2-5 each then some profiteer came behind me and bought up all the rest of the stock. I could have done that but I was hoping many others would get a chance to get reasonable priced cpus, I noticed weeks later that about the same # of cpus that were all bought out after me appeared on Ebay for around $75 a piece. (shakes head)

Thanks for your input. Sounds like a really smart plan to look into the not so well known parts . It could be a good way to reduce some costs.

Motherboards and the cpu are really very expensive.

The most economical Tualatin I found was the 1 GHZ Celeron Tualatin model. But not sure how good the Celeron Tualatin's are. Have not read anything about them.

NostalgicAslinger wrote on 2023-07-26, 18:49:

Athlon XP-M with the IQYHA steppings are the best K7 Barton core versions, also overclocks like hell, with air cooling to 2,4-2, […]
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Athlon XP-M with the IQYHA steppings are the best K7 Barton core versions, also overclocks like hell, with air cooling to 2,4-2,6GHz. I have a 2600+ IQYHA from week 51/year 2003, which runs fine with 2500MHz, 1.65V VCore Desktop Barton Default Voltage. I still have this CPU, bought in the year 2004 as pretested 2,6GHz (1,75V) for my NForce2 main system at that time.

As you can see, 1450Mhz with ony 1.05V VCore, but you need a Socket A mainboard, which allows these low voltages: Re: (Un)lucky Athlon XP-M

A few other threads:
athlon xp-m overclocking
Abit KT7A (KT133A/VIA686B), Athlon XP Mobile 2500+
Athlon XP Mobile / Geode build - need advice with multiplier selection and older motherboards

The 1700+ Thoroughbred B is a good alternative, and easier to find. The JIUHB stepping was the best version of the 1700s. Good ones are going to ~2,3Ghz with only 1,7V.

Thanks a lot for the further info. I will read through the different threads asap. The Thoroughbred B indeed easier to find than the Athlon XP-M but I will do some more research about the XP-M before rulling the out completely.

But due to easy availabilty I am more inclined towards the 1700+.

@theiceman thanks for your understanding for the athlon discussion.

According to your profile you are fellow Austrian and in case you are still want to get Tualatin this offer could be interesting for you

https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/-top-w … 124077-228-3478

I found it while seaching for athlon parts.

It is complete Tualatin pc with the Asus Mainboard that was mentioned in your thread already.

it is not cheap but when considering the fact that some Tualatin mobos alone cost a few 100s of euro already (that was the reason why my interest in the Tualatin vanished rather quickly) the price should be justified for someone like you who was wiling to pay the prices of the tualatin mobo and cpu alone.

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-26, 20:57:

The most economical Tualatin I found was the 1 GHZ Celeron Tualatin model. But not sure how good the Celeron Tualatin's are. Have not read anything about them.

The Tualatin-Celerons have the same core as the Tualatin-Pentiums. But because of the slower FSB of 100 Mhz the memory bandwidth is lower, which is a bottleneck at that speeds. Their advantage over Coppermine Pentiums is that you can get them with higher clock speeds and they can be overclocked quite good which compensates the memory bandwidth disadvantage to a certain degree.
The Server-Tualatins (-S) additionally have 512KB cache making them even faster than the Desktop-Tualatins, but good luck finding one of them that doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
You should still be able to get a 1.2 GHz Celeron for a reasonable price.

HanSolo wrote on 2023-07-26, 22:15:

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-26, 20:57:

The most economical Tualatin I found was the 1 GHZ Celeron Tualatin model. But not sure how good the Celeron Tualatin's are. Have not read anything about them.

You should still be able to get a 1.2 GHz Celeron for a reasonable price.

Nope!
Tualatin Celeron 1GHz practically 100% will work at 133FSB, and it "in spec" for Tualatin core - 1.4Ghz max.
1.2GHz - may be yes, may be not.

Thx for the further replies @shevalier and HanSolo. I will research more about the Celeron Tualatin

@gamefan_851 Thanks for the link. That offer comes a bit too fast for me to be honest. Before starting the Geforce 4200 build I wanted to finish the intel 440bx (Asus p2B) system first and pimp it with the Voodoo 3 card. I will take at least one more week before I get the Voodoo 3 2000 agp and until then the System might be gone already.

@all what do you think about the above-mentioned system and the price? Would you consider it as good price for a expensive Tualatin System? I am aware that the text is in German but the specs should be understandble even without knowing any German.

The Celeron 1000A (Tualatin) will be overall slower then the Pentium 3 1000 (Coppermine) due to slower FSB and in some cases memory clock. The Coppermine runs at 133Mhz FSB x 7.5X while the tualeron runs at 100Mhz FSB x 10X. The gap widens even more on boards that lock the memory clock to the FSB, although some boards (VIA 694A, 694X and 694T chipsets at least) have a Bios option for setting memory speed to FSB +33MHz which will allow you to run the ram at 133Mhz. Most intel 440BX and ZX boards do not have this setting, but some do (for example the Abit BE6-II).

That said, there are benefits to running a Tualeron in a 440bx board with a slotket that has an on board voltage regulator or on motherboards that support the lower voltage a tualatin core CPU requires. A 1300MHz Tualatin Celeron will be faster then a 1000Mhz Coppermine Pentium 3 despite the memory speed difference, especially if you're running it on a motherboard that lets you tweak the memory timings in detail (like most abit boards with SoftMenu). I've been able to squeeze over 1000MB/sec read speeds in Everest 5.5 using a pin-modded Tualatin Celeron @ 1300MHz and a passive Slotket in my Abit BH6. At CL2-2-2-5 100MHz the system memory is very very close to what I can get out of my Abit ST6 / Tualatin 1400MHz 512k running 133MHz ram at CL3-3-3-6. Right now I'm running said pin-modded tualeron in my BH6 build, it's been stable for the last couple of weeks and I'm seriously considering leaving it in permanently as it performs better then the Pentium 3 1100MHz (Coppermine, FSB100) I had in there previously.

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-27, 08:24:

@all what do you think about the above-mentioned system and the price? Would you consider it as good price for a expensive Tualatin System? I am aware that the text is in German but the specs should be understandble even without knowing any German.

I think 300 EUR is way too much for that.

Unless you really want a Tualatin for some reason, you're better off building an Athlon64 or a Pentium 4 system for much less money. If you don't care about DOS, and just want a really powerful platform for Win9x games, those would be more rational choices. Not saying that you can't get good DOS compatibility on those systems, just that it's a bit more tricky without ISA slots.

Joseph_Joestar wrote on 2023-07-27, 08:42:

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-27, 08:24:

@all what do you think about the above-mentioned system and the price? Would you consider it as good price for a expensive Tualatin System? I am aware that the text is in German but the specs should be understandble even without knowing any German.

I think 300 EUR is way too much for that.

Unless you really want a Tualatin for some reason, you're better off building an Athlon64 or a Pentium 4 system for much less money. If you don't care about DOS, and just want a really powerful platform for Win9x games, those would be more rational choices. Not saying that you can't get good DOS compatibility on those systems, just that it's a bit more tricky without ISA slots.

It would be 300 plus shipping to Austria. I also think that's a lot of money.

And as I mentioned in the post above that i am already almost converted to the Athlon route as well.

I will check out different socket 754 or 939 motherboards and various athlon xp or athlon 64 cpu. Socket A could also be a alternative....

I really do not need a Tualatin for a practical reason it is just one of the items I would consider as nice to have but they are no essentials.

As a matter of fact, I just want to play games and for that simple task getting an Athlon is the only reasonable choice.

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-27, 08:24:

Thx for the further replies @shevalier and HanSolo. I will research more about the Celeron Tualatin

@gamefan_851 Thanks for the link. That offer comes a bit too fast for me to be honest. Before starting the Geforce 4200 build I wanted to finish the intel 440bx (Asus p2B) system first and pimp it with the Voodoo 3 card. I will take at least one more week before I get the Voodoo 3 2000 agp and until then the System might be gone already.

@all what do you think about the above-mentioned system and the price? Would you consider it as good price for a expensive Tualatin System? I am aware that the text is in German but the specs should be understandble even without knowing any German.

You are welcome. I have to agree it is really more on the expensive side way too expensive for me. You can get similar or even better peformance at a much lower price with a Athlon System like many guys here have mentioned already.

theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-26, 20:57:

The most economical Tualatin I found was the 1 GHZ Celeron Tualatin model. But not sure how good the Celeron Tualatin's are. Have not read anything about them.

I don't have a 1GHz Tualeron, but I can say that the 1.4GHz model is roughly equivalent to a Coppermine PIII-1000EB. Admittedly, I tested all of the processors below on different boards with different amounts of RAM, but at least they were all done with a Radeon 9800 Pro video card running the same driver under Windows XP, so it should at least give you a general idea of processor performance.

Quake 3 Timedemo001, 1024x768, 32-bit color/texture, high details:
PIII 850E (i440bx, FSB100): 110.5 FPS
Celeron-1400 (i440bx, FSB100): 135.2 FPS
PIII 1000EB (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB133): 138.9 FPS
PIII-S 1400 (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB133): 182.6 FPS
PIII-S 1628 (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB155): 220.2 FPS

3DMark 2001SE, default settings:
PIII 850E (i440bx, FSB100): 6257
Celeron-1400 (i440bx, FSB100): 7722
PIII 1000EB (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB133): 7679
PIII-S 1400 (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB133): 11130
PIII-S 1628 (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB155): 12604

i440BX = 512MB PC100, CL2-2-2-6
Apollo Pro 266T = 2048MB DDR at either 266 or 310 MHz, depending on FSB speed. CL2-2-2-5

Standard Def Steve wrote on 2023-07-27, 16:06:

I don't have a 1GHz Tualeron, but I can say that the 1.4GHz model is roughly equivalent to a Coppermine PIII-1000EB. Admittedly […]
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theiceman085 wrote on 2023-07-26, 20:57:

The most economical Tualatin I found was the 1 GHZ Celeron Tualatin model. But not sure how good the Celeron Tualatin's are. Have not read anything about them.

I don't have a 1GHz Tualeron, but I can say that the 1.4GHz model is roughly equivalent to a Coppermine PIII-1000EB. Admittedly, I tested all of the processors below on different boards with different amounts of RAM, but at least they were all done with a Radeon 9800 Pro video card running the same driver under Windows XP, so it should at least give you a general idea of processor performance.

Quake 3 Timedemo001, 1024x768, 32-bit color/texture, high details:
PIII 850E (i440bx, FSB100): 110.5 FPS
Celeron-1400 (i440bx, FSB100): 135.2 FPS
PIII 1000EB (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB133): 138.9 FPS
PIII-S 1400 (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB133): 182.6 FPS
PIII-S 1628 (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB155): 220.2 FPS

3DMark 2001SE, default settings:
PIII 850E (i440bx, FSB100): 6257
Celeron-1400 (i440bx, FSB100): 7722
PIII 1000EB (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB133): 7679
PIII-S 1400 (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB133): 11130
PIII-S 1628 (Apollo Pro 266T, FSB155): 12604

i440BX = 512MB PC100, CL2-2-2-6
Apollo Pro 266T = 2048MB DDR at either 266 or 310 MHz, depending on FSB speed. CL2-2-2-5

Thanks a lot for posting your benchmark. It looks that the Celeron is not really worth considering using it in my second rig.

When my intel 440bx asus p2b board reaches it final form with the p3 900 mhz the voodoo 3 2000 agp card I should be able to get results that are only slightly slower than the Celeron.

I think it is not worth it then because the

the main point for my second rig is to find a decent home for my Gainward gf 4 4200 to play games from 2000 and 2001 in good quality.

With the Tualatin, the gap is quite impressive though but the price point of a Tualatin is high.

I think I might be better of with a athlon xp system.

I would guess, though, that a 1000 Tualeron clocked at 10x133 would smoke the 1000EB ...?

Standard Def Steve wrote on 2023-07-27, 16:06:

I don't have a 1GHz Tualeron, but I can say that the 1.4GHz model is roughly equivalent to a Coppermine PIII-1000EB.

Usage 1GHz Tualeron at 100MHz FSB is crime against mankind, sorry.

Re: 3 (+3 more) retro battle stations

The only drawback of the Tualatin celeron on the 133 bus is the insufficiently pretentious inscription in the CPU-z utility.