It's a ..... 'Mook Match! Shades of ROTT deathmatch mode 🤣

Sold my MMX 266 long ago, wish I hadn't... but that was a different time 😀

Im in! Just need to onstall a OS first on my tillamook system!

Necrodude wrote on 2023-10-18, 10:06:

Im in! Just need to onstall a OS first on my tillamook system!

95 rtm!

Horun, there is one on ebay. Sl2z4

Sphere478 wrote on 2023-10-19, 01:55:

Necrodude wrote on 2023-10-18, 10:06:

Im in! Just need to onstall a OS first on my tillamook system!

95 rtm!

Horun, there is one on ebay. Sl2z4

Hmm ...my 503+ (rev 1.2A) will do 2.0 v iirc (it is a 1.9v cpu) so it may work ok on it....what do you think ? what board would you recommend ?

Sounds worth a try. With mods it seems to be able to work on most boards that I have tried as long as you hit 1.9-2.1v

They specced the I/O at 2.5v IIRC but it doesn’t seem to mind 3.3v I/O

I am not much of an overclocker, and AFAIK Tillamook is clock-for-clock the same as a normal MMX, but anyways. Want to do something with it.

CPU: SL2Z4 rated 266 MHz https://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SL2Z4.html
CPU Wire mods: L2 cache enable, VCC2DET grounded
Motherboard: Chaintech CT-5RSA0, ALi Aladdin V Chipset. As mentioned here: Smallest Socket 7 Motherboard
Graphics: NVIDIA Quadro4 100 NVS PCI, 64MB DDR, Passive, Stock clocks. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/quadro4 … 0-nvs-pci.c1461
Memory: 1 stick of 128MB SDRAM. Did not tune the settings.
Storage: 8GB SD Card on IDE adapter.
OS: Windows 98-SE with DirectX 7.0, NVidia tweaked omega drivers v1.4403. I think it matches the normal v44.03. Only the 98-SE default chipset drivers.

200 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB, 1,9 Volt -> 1286 3DMarks2000
300 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB, 2,0 Volt -> 1564 3DMarks2000

350 MHz setting did not post at 1,9 Volt, and I did not attempt any other Voltage. For 300 MHz I had to raise to 2,0 Volt to complete the benchmark.

Woohoo, reigning champion! That Quadro NVS might be a toughie to beat, even with a better CPU clock. If nobody was gonna do a serious run I was gonna run my thinkpad tonight with software rendering for all of the 200 points I could have claimed made me the guy to beat 🤣

gerwin wrote on 2023-10-19, 20:13:

I am not much of an overclocker, and AFAIK Tillamook is clock-for-clock the same as a normal MMX, but anyways. Want to do someth […]
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I am not much of an overclocker, and AFAIK Tillamook is clock-for-clock the same as a normal MMX, but anyways. Want to do something with it.

CPU: SL2Z4 rated 266 MHz https://www.cpu-world.com/sspec/SL/SL2Z4.html
CPU Wire mods: L2 cache enable, VCC2DET grounded
Motherboard: Chaintech CT-5RSA0, ALi Aladdin V Chipset. As mentioned here: Smallest Socket 7 Motherboard
Graphics: NVIDIA Quadro4 100 NVS PCI, 64MB DDR, Passive, Stock clocks. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/quadro4 … 0-nvs-pci.c1461
Memory: 1 stick of 128MB SDRAM. Did not tune the settings.
Storage: 8GB SD Card on IDE adapter.
OS: Windows 98-SE with DirectX 7.0, NVidia tweaked omega drivers v1.4403. I think it matches the normal v44.03. Only the 98-SE default chipset drivers.

200 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB, 1,9 Volt -> 1286 3DMarks2000
300 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB, 2,0 Volt -> 1564 3DMarks2000

350 MHz setting did not post at 1,9 Volt, and I did not attempt any other Voltage. For 300 MHz I had to raise to 2,0 Volt to complete the benchmark.

350 mhz unstable is unusual.

Was this 3.5x x 100?

BitWrangler wrote on 2023-10-19, 22:02:

Woohoo, reigning champion! That Quadro NVS might be a toughie to beat, even with a better CPU clock. If nobody was gonna do a serious run I was gonna run my thinkpad tonight with software rendering for all of the 200 points I could have claimed made me the guy to beat 🤣

The next best thing I have are AGP versions of the Gf2 TI / Gf4 Ti4200 / Gf 6200 / Radeon HD3450. But normally the only AGP card I ever dare to use with such ALi Super-Socket 7 boards is the Voodoo 3.

Sphere478 wrote on 2023-10-20, 00:06:

350 mhz unstable is unusual.

Was this 3.5x x 100?

Yes 100 MHz FSB. It was not unstable. Just no post, screen did not come up. But I just tried it again and look 😀

350 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB, 2,0 Volt -> 1626 3DMarks2000

gerwin wrote on 2023-10-20, 00:35:

The next best thing I have are AGP versions of the Gf2 TI / Gf4 Ti4200 / Gf 6200 / Radeon HD3450. But normally the only AGP car […]
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BitWrangler wrote on 2023-10-19, 22:02:

Woohoo, reigning champion! That Quadro NVS might be a toughie to beat, even with a better CPU clock. If nobody was gonna do a serious run I was gonna run my thinkpad tonight with software rendering for all of the 200 points I could have claimed made me the guy to beat 🤣

The next best thing I have are AGP versions of the Gf2 TI / Gf4 Ti4200 / Gf 6200 / Radeon HD3450. But normally the only AGP card I ever dare to use with such ALi Super-Socket 7 boards is the Voodoo 3.

Sphere478 wrote on 2023-10-20, 00:06:

350 mhz unstable is unusual.

Was this 3.5x x 100?

Yes 100 MHz FSB. It was not unstable. Just no post, screen did not come up. But I just tried it again and look 😀

350 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB, 2,0 Volt -> 1626 3DMarks2000

It should do 4x 100mhz pretty effortlessly

Do the 4x mod

Sphere478 wrote on 2023-10-20, 01:56:

It should do 4x 100mhz pretty effortlessly
Do the 4x mod

Good to hear it can do that. Maybe I will do the mod, but:

The CPU scaling seems to diminish in 3DMark2000.
200 -> 300 MHz good jump.
300 -> 350 MHz underwhelming.
Anyone with a faster graphics card working on Super Socket 7 will surely beat the score.

Then, when I solder the 4.0x multiplier mod will I loose some of the the lower multiplier settings? Currently the Tillamook has a nice set of multiplier options: 2.0x / 2.5x / 3.0x / 3.5x.

All supported multipliers should work but some boards may need mods to work properly.

The 4x mod will act as a bf2 pulled up on boards that don’t support bf2 pull down. In that case you could add the jumper for bf2 on the board or use a tweaker instead of the surface mods

gerwin wrote on 2023-10-19, 20:13:

200 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB,
300 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB,

I don’t mean anything like that, but these are good results for the P1 MMX 233.
For 100*3 you will have to increase the voltage to 3~3.3V.
But that's not what's expected of Tillamook.

Yeah, I admitted I am not much of an overclocker, and neither is this Tillamook specimen that I have here.
So I understand the mechanism of the BF2 mod now (243571-002.pdf page 18), and instead I made a quick wire mod without any soldering to force the 4x Multiplier.
But the highest speed I could get the system to boot with is 380MHz. That is with 2,2 Volt VCC, and I measure 3,5 Volt I/O VCC3. At 2,1 Volt it could not finish 3DMark. Not going to try 2,3 or 2,4 Volt.

200 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB, 1,9 Volt -> 1286 3DMarks2000
300 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB, 2,0 Volt -> 1564 3DMarks2000
350 MHz, at 100 MHz FSB, 2,0 Volt -> 1626 3DMarks2000
380 MHz, at _95 MHz FSB, 2,2 Volt -> 1657 3DMarks2000

Nice :p

Strange that 400 was a problem. Maybe try a board recap?

So you are using a wuadro nvs 280? Which is a 5500?

Try a quadro 2 with 7.76 drivers or a radeon 9800 pro with oldest drivers that work or geforce 3 ti 500 with 7.76 drivers or a radeon 7500 with oldest drivers

5500 is nice but not record breaker usually

Sphere478 wrote on 2023-10-21, 15:26:

Strange that 400 was a problem. Maybe try a board recap?

I also suspected the board at first. The board was like 50% recapped already. It had bad caps of a certain type. But the other 50% are still the original ones.
Other evidence suggests it is actually the CPU itself:
- I can run a K6-2+ 500MHz on it.. Just installed it, and it boots up at first try. (3DMark2000: 2382 @400MHz / 2627 @500MHz / 600MHz unstable at 2,1V)
- As noted: Raised VCC voltage made the higher CPU speeds work for the Tillamook. 2x100 Always works fine, even at 1,9 Volt.

Sphere478 wrote on 2023-10-21, 15:30:

So you are using a Quadro nvs 280? Which is a 5500?

No it is another Quadro. NV17 based like GeForce4 MX 440.
Graphics: NVIDIA Quadro4 100 NVS PCI, 64MB DDR, Passive, Stock clocks. https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/quadro4 … 0-nvs-pci.c1461