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First post, by _StIwY_

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Hello, today i got a vintage PC Daewoo with a proprietary motherboard mod. Daewoo CB656M-WH/WL with Intel i810 chipset ( which supports 100mhz bus only ) and a Celeron 700Mhz ( 100mhz bus / 128Kb cache )

The manual says only supports Celeron with 66mhz / 100mhz bus. Unfortunately i have some P3 Coppermine but they are all with 133Mhz bus.

Do you think the motherboard will boot with a P3 / bus 100mhz instead of a Celeron /bus 100mhz ? The BIOS is already the latest, but i can't find any changelog.

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Reply 1 of 7, by Ryccardo

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It will quite likely start with a P3 */100, both are Coppermine and if you notice the text it suggests it was written when the Celeron 66 was the only thing around for Socket 370…

…but after that you may or may not get an unsupported CPU warning (that you may or may not skip and continue booting), in which case it might be possible to solve by bios modding (adding/replacing microcode updates, or removing the check)

And… again that manual is weird, sure my i815 motherboard that officially does 133 MHz is "one newer", but was your "only one older" chipset claiming that 66 is the most common speed and 100 cutting edge?

Good luck!

Reply 2 of 7, by Gmlb256

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In theory it could, but the manual doesn't mention support for FC-PGA which Socket 370 Coppermine CPUs uses.

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Reply 3 of 7, by darry

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Gmlb256 wrote on 2023-11-09, 22:10:

In theory it could, but the manual doesn't mention support for FC-PGA which Socket 370 Coppermine CPUs uses.

Even Celerons above 533MHz were FC-PGA . Anything above that will likely require at least a physical adapter and likely also an updated (unlikely to exist) or patched BIOS .

Reply 4 of 7, by VivienM

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Ryccardo wrote on 2023-11-09, 21:24:

And… again that manual is weird, sure my i815 motherboard that officially does 133 MHz is "one newer", but was your "only one older" chipset claiming that 66 is the most common speed and 100 cutting edge?

The i810 launched at a time when it was expected to be the low-end paired with 66MHz FSB Celerons; the 100MHz were the Slot 1 Pentium IIIs with 440BXes, which got discontinued rather than moving down in price; then they launched 133 with the i820 RDRAM chipset, the i820 SDRAM snafu, and then they scrambled and scrambled to come up with a working SDRAM chipset for 133 that became the i815. And really, the i810 was, I think, the first designated Intel low-end chipset with on-chipset graphics, no AGP, etc. The first 100MHz Celerons came out in early 2001, i.e. two years after the i810; that should tell you something about how long 66 stayed the standard on the low end.

Note that the i815 is a full year and a half newer than the i810. And aimed at a much, much higher market - the 440BX/i820 market that desperately, desperately needed an SDRAM solution for 133FSB chips.

I am even surprised that socket 370 100FSB PIIIs were made - I guess the large retail OEMs just really wanted to sell a ton of i810 systems with a Pentium III sticker on the front. I remember seeing recently a retro PIII system on some YouTube channel... and... wow, it was an i810, what a major league disappointment.

Reply 7 of 7, by darry

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_StIwY_ wrote on 2023-11-17, 11:44:

It Works

So your board does support FC-PGA CPUs, despite the manual being silent on the subject.

EDIT : It does say it supports future 100 MHz FSB Celerons, which implies FC-PGA support.
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