FYI, No recent or even old IDE-USB adapter will work with an old hard drive that only does CHS.

Considering the age & size of the drive I doubt it does LBA.
ergo forget about it.

Only adapter I know if that is friendly to older and pre ATAPI IDE drives is the Apricorn EZgig PCMCIA adaptor.... and it wasn't even sold for that, more like for one off use for transferring data off previous laptop HDD to new laptop with Apricorn supplied hard drive. It doesn't come with a 3.5 to 2.5 IDE adapter or means to power 3.5 drives.... yeah so that is a bit of a weirdo, but you can plug that into a pre-2005ish laptop with PCMCIA and hang a USB adapter on the other side to dump old drives to newer bigger ones... if you find one cheap.... not worth spending too much money on, they were single purpose.

Edit: Darn, for specifically Win10 it might not be any good, highest OS tried on was XP here, but it does pick up as standard IDE controller.

weedeewee wrote on 2024-04-11, 19:34:

FYI, No recent or even old IDE-USB adapter will work with an old hard drive that only does CHS.

Considering the age & size of the drive I doubt it does LBA.
ergo forget about it.

As long as I know it's not possible thanks, I'm trying to get Windows 98 on there so I can run the setup file, I've only got the Windows 98 Boot disc/floppy, the CD drive either isn't working or I've not got the right drivers, I get an error saying "no drives found, aborting installation" https://imgur.com/qGLGNJR

The CD drive https://imgur.com/YDC6j21 with the I/F card I'm using to connect it https://imgur.com/hkyzxLJ

I don't know if the CD drive is faulty or the I/F card is or it's not set up right?

+ the motherboard I'm using https://stason.org/TULARC/pc/motherboards/A/A … 202560-XXX.html

Well, it's a mitsumi FX001D ATAPI cdrom drive, but you're using the interface card which seems to be set at IRQ10, DMA5 and IO... 0x300.

The drivers on the win98 bootdisk will only look on the standard first & second IDE port locations.

If the computer, that the cdrom drive is in, does not have a secondary IDE port, then you can set the cdrom interface card to IRQ 15 and IO 0x170 A9-A2= 0100011 (0=OFF, 1=ON)
Oh wait, you can't set irq 15, dangit.

then you'll need to find a way to load the device driver and point it to the correct IO port and/or IRQ.

weedeewee wrote on 2024-04-11, 20:16:

Well, it's a mitsumi FX001D ATAPI cdrom drive, but you're using the interface card which seems to be set at IRQ10, DMA5 and IO. […]
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Well, it's a mitsumi FX001D ATAPI cdrom drive, but you're using the interface card which seems to be set at IRQ10, DMA5 and IO... 0x300.

The drivers on the win98 bootdisk will only look on the standard first & second IDE port locations.

If the computer, that the cdrom drive is in, does not have a secondary IDE port, then you can set the cdrom interface card to IRQ 15 and IO 0x170 A9-A2= 0100011 (0=OFF, 1=ON)
Oh wait, you can't set irq 15, dangit.

then you'll need to find a way to load the device driver and point it to the correct IO port and/or IRQ.

No there's only one IDE port for the Hard Drive, I don't know how the I/F card should be setup, all this old stuff is new to me.
It's also got this sound card with an IDE port on it https://rubenerd.com/the-ess-audiodrive-es186 … -sound-and-ide/ If I could just get the CD drive working everything would be alright.

You could also try to set the cdrom as slave and the hardrive as master, attaching both to the same IDE port.

The Mitsumi FX-001D CD-ROM drive is not IDE, it uses a proprietary interface. To make it work set the port/IRQ on the interface card and connect it to the drive using a regular 40-pin IDE cable.

Refer to the attached manual for the I/F card settings and general setup. I also include a ZIP file with the drivers that you need to access the CD-ROM in DOS.

EDIT: to install Windows 98, you can edit the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT of the boot disk and add the corresponding lines for the proprietary Mitsumi drivers.

TheMobRules wrote on 2024-04-11, 21:13:

The Mitsumi FX-001D CD-ROM drive is not IDE, it uses a proprietary interface. To make it work set the port/IRQ on the interface card and connect it to the drive using a regular 40-pin IDE cable.

Refer to the attached manual for the I/F card settings and general setup. I also include a ZIP file with the drivers that you need to access the CD-ROM in DOS.

EDIT: to install Windows 98, you can edit the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT of the boot disk and add the corresponding lines for the proprietary Mitsumi drivers.

I've gone through the manual and tried everything default, still says no drive detected, I could edit them files if i had another floppy drive, other than the what's in that computer because there's no way of transferring what I need over to it to make a floppy disk, Is there any reliable external floppy drives about for Windows XP-11 that I can use WinImage with? or an adapter for the floppy drive I've got? a lot of them seem hit and miss from what I've read.

TheMobRules wrote on 2024-04-11, 21:13:

The Mitsumi FX-001D CD-ROM drive is not IDE, it uses a proprietary interface. To make it work set the port/IRQ on the interface card and connect it to the drive using a regular 40-pin IDE cable.

Refer to the attached manual for the I/F card settings and general setup. I also include a ZIP file with the drivers that you need to access the CD-ROM in DOS.

EDIT: to install Windows 98, you can edit the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT of the boot disk and add the corresponding lines for the proprietary Mitsumi drivers.

Really? I did a quick google and it mentioned ATAPI, so I went with that.
Oh well, Guess I can't trust anything on the internet anymore these days.

The fact the interface card has jumpers for the DMA did kinda ring a bell. Meh.

weedeewee wrote on 2024-04-12, 05:34:

Really? I did a quick google and it mentioned ATAPI, so I went with that. Oh well, Guess I can't trust anything on the internet […]
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TheMobRules wrote on 2024-04-11, 21:13:

The Mitsumi FX-001D CD-ROM drive is not IDE, it uses a proprietary interface. To make it work set the port/IRQ on the interface card and connect it to the drive using a regular 40-pin IDE cable.

Refer to the attached manual for the I/F card settings and general setup. I also include a ZIP file with the drivers that you need to access the CD-ROM in DOS.

EDIT: to install Windows 98, you can edit the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT of the boot disk and add the corresponding lines for the proprietary Mitsumi drivers.

Really? I did a quick google and it mentioned ATAPI, so I went with that.
Oh well, Guess I can't trust anything on the internet anymore these days.

The fact the interface card has jumpers for the DMA did kinda ring a bell. Meh.

I concur, it's not ATAPI. I had one back in the day. A lot of people nowadays, especially sellers, assume that 40-pin implies ATAPI/IDE, presumably because they don't realize that pre-ATAPI 40-pin drives existed. This causes misleadinging adverts that pollute search engine results. I suspect that the problem will solve itself over time, once the average seller no longer knows what ATAPI is/was. 😉

EDIT: Corrected typos and grammar

TheMobRules wrote on 2024-04-11, 21:13:

The Mitsumi FX-001D CD-ROM drive is not IDE, it uses a proprietary interface. To make it work set the port/IRQ on the interface card and connect it to the drive using a regular 40-pin IDE cable.

Refer to the attached manual for the I/F card settings and general setup. I also include a ZIP file with the drivers that you need to access the CD-ROM in DOS.

EDIT: to install Windows 98, you can edit the CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT of the boot disk and add the corresponding lines for the proprietary Mitsumi drivers.

Thanks that worked with an external floppy drive.