Its like some people WANT Windows 10 to fail. Just let MS have this one win, okay? They got enough bashing for the bipolar unpolished UI from Windows 8 already.

Btw I like UEFI on my newer PCs (but it bugs me that my ASUS boards love making the screen blank before showing their logo again to start Windows, I had an h61 Intel board did not do that). I really doubt legacy BIOS will go away anytime soon, though. My modern-ish GTX 760 does not have UEFI firmware, so it needs legacy support to work, my 980, on the other hand, seems to have it.

My DQ45CB board has it, and it has... quirks with AHCI. It was an early implementation though. Let them mature, and it'll be even better than BIOS.

I MIGHT upgrade if DX12 is any good, but as it currently stands, I have no plans to "upgrade" to Windows 10. Win7 serves me just fine.

PeterLI wrote:

I will probably skip it. Windows 7 is the new XP. 🤣

Same to me 😀

I am pretty satisfied with w10 so far. You just need to be patient and patch it a lot... xD

I don't really have a choice, since I want to develop DX12 code. But so far it's been quite decent. Perhaps not yet as rock-solid as Win8.1 so far, but nothing major.

I really do think Win7 is the new XP, because what happened with WinXP was that a lot of people had no idea about Vista, not the good parts either. So when they finally upgraded to Win7, they were amazed by all sorts of things that weren't new to Win7, but had been in Vista as well (such as IO prioritization).
What I see happening now is that people are still on Win7, and have no idea about Win8.x, which is more lightweight and boots a lot faster, especially on UEFI systems. So when they finally upgrade to Win10, they are impressed by this... But the joke's on them, because they could have had this for years already.
I've upgraded two old laptops from Win7 to Win10, and they run better now. Might get a few more years of life out of them. One of them is my mom's, which was getting rather slow with Win7. I told her that if she were to buy a new laptop, she'd get Win10 on it anyway, so we might as well put it on the old one and get used to it like that, it got the free upgrade anyway. It seems to work okay for her. It certainly is quite a bit faster (both Win7 and Win10 are the x64 version. It's an old Pentium DualCore (budget Core2 Duo) 2.2 GHz system with 3 GHz and a slow HDD).

Scali wrote:

The whole problem here is that we've had UEFI for many years, and Windows 7 didn't support it.
Windows 7 is horribly outdated. With Windows 8 we finally had proper UEFI support in the OS, so booting became a lot more modern and streamlined.
I don't find it strange that the latest hardware doesn't bother with that crappy old legacy BIOS stuff anymore. Why would you even want to run Windows 7 on the latest hardware anyway? (please think before you answer anything related to some irrelevant differences in the UI).

Win7 and even Vista SP1 does have some support for UEFI, but it is not as good as Win8's support.

Apparently the "spy update" is coming to Windows 7 and 8? Microsoft doesn't seem to fail at this foot shooting thing.

leileilol wrote:

Apparently the "spy update" is coming to Windows 7 and 8? Microsoft doesn't seem to fail at this foot shooting thing.

Yep, disabled win7 updates because of it. Hopefully its not already on there.

This is a list of updates I'm currently avoiding to keep my Win7 system clean:

KB2505438
KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2990214
KB3021917
KB3022345
KB3035583
KB3050265
KB3068708
KB3075249
KB3080149

Anybody got any others to add to the list?

Take a look at this shit;
http://www.redferret.net/?p=18686
So MS is pushing out an update to mess with pirated windows. I'm thinking they want everyone to upgrade to "free" win10 (even pirates) for a bigger plan...
Anyway, Its a good thing I disabled windows updates last week like I said earlier. I wouldn't pay an effing dime for MS's shitty OS (and it's a good thing I never had)

KT7AGuy wrote:

Anybody got any others to add to the list?

Maybe jam a rabbits foot into one of your USB ports for good measure. You can try garlic too but I'm not sure if that works on Microsoft, I might be thinking of Nosferatu.

ahendricks18 wrote:

So MS is pushing out an update to mess with pirated windows. I'm thinking they want everyone to upgrade to "free" win10 (even pirates) for a bigger plan...
Anyway, Its a good thing I disabled windows updates last week like I said earlier. I wouldn't pay an effing dime for MS's shitty OS (and it's a good thing I never had)

The 'bigger plan' is to make money; it always has been. It's not a conspiracy, it's business.

Here you are pirating MS's OS - bragging about the fact - and in the same sentence you go on to complain about the quality of it? For reals?

Bragging? I wouldn't say so. I was quite satisfied with windows, up until 10. I used just about every other version, save for ME or 2k. I have bought actual licenses too, BTW.

badmojo wrote:

Maybe jam a rabbits foot into one of your USB ports for good measure.

Apparently, such a thing actually exists.

badmojo wrote:

You can try garlic too but I'm not sure if that works on Microsoft, I might be thinking of Nosferatu.

I'm pretty sure they won't be happy until you're willing to undergo a full background check and TSA-style screening in exchange for the latest version of solitaire. 🤣

In all seriousness though, keeping your system at Win7 and GWX-free is legit. Until I am perfectly satisfied with Win10, it will remain on test machines or otherwise. Even then, I'm not quite sure I want to sacrifice my retail Win7 key for the "free" Win10 upgrade.

I'm still trying to figure out what > 75 million people are getting in exchange for their privacy that they weren't already getting with Win7/Win8. It couldn't possibly be the nagware that prompted them to upgrade, right? People couldn't possibly be upgrading just because they got a little notification for it in their systrays, right? Surely they weighed the pros/cons of such an upgrade before committing. There's no way that MS could have learned this shtick from any other company, right?

Oh, wait... 😒

If you aren't a paying customer, then you're the product. Facebook and Google learned this business model more than five years ago. MS is just playing catch-up at this point.

ahendricks18 wrote:

Take a look at this shit; http://www.redferret.net/?p=18686 So MS is pushing out an update to mess with pirated windows. I'm t […]
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Take a look at this shit;
http://www.redferret.net/?p=18686
So MS is pushing out an update to mess with pirated windows. I'm thinking they want everyone to upgrade to "free" win10 (even pirates) for a bigger plan...
Anyway, Its a good thing I disabled windows updates last week like I said earlier. I wouldn't pay an effing dime for MS's shitty OS (and it's a good thing I never had)

Isn't that particular update (KB971033) from 2012? I'm definitely disturbed by all the sh!tty "updates" lately. I may end up going back to Linux, at least for my Internet-connected PC. And then just keep my Windoze PC unplugged from the net for gaming only.

KT7AGuy wrote:

This is a list of updates I'm currently avoiding to keep my Win7 system clean: […]
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This is a list of updates I'm currently avoiding to keep my Win7 system clean:

KB2505438
KB2952664
KB2976978
KB2990214
KB3021917
KB3022345
KB3035583
KB3050265
KB3068708
KB3075249
KB3080149

Anybody got any others to add to the list?

You know that most (if not all) of those relate specifically to the CEIP, which you are free to opt out of.

Nobody has yet presented any compelling evidence to the contrary.

The closest thing so far is that one Czech blog that every news source is linking back to directly or indirectly. (Their advertising impressions must be skyrocketing!) And the extent of their evidence is "We captured this with a program." without any screenies, logs, capture files, anything. They have a list of hostnames. Whoop de doo.

Yes, I know that in Win7 I'm still free to opt out of the CEIP. KB3035583 is the big bad GWX update. I still prefer not to install those other updates

Fortunately, MS is only offering these up as optional updates. Diligent Win7 users will be able to avoid any updates they prefer not to install. I posted my list of updates I wish to avoid. Some may agree with it, others may disagree. While running Win7, we are all still free to say "no, thank you". Win10 users no longer have that choice.

To the Win7 users who are freaking out lately: Don't install the GWX and CEIP/Telemetry updates. Problem solved! It's really that simple! I've even listed them all for you. You still have the power of choice and nobody is holding a gun to your head.

Eventually, I'm sure that some hackers will come up with ways of disabling the forced updates and telemetry in Win10. When that happens, I will consider putting it on my main desktop PC. Until then, I'm sticking with Win7 and eyeballing Linux as a potential replacement.

I don't buy Microsoft's claims that the forced updates and telemetry stuff are absolutely necessary. We've had them disabled for the last 20 years and have somehow been able to function without them. I highly doubt that Win10 is something so special as to require this stuff. There's no reason for them to make this stuff mandatory and the excuses are lame.

The real issues lie in all the users out there who get automatic updates automatically installed.

Windows 10 will allegedly work differently than older versions, because MS will not rollout major upgrades anymore, but keep pushing them continuously. Basically:

MS creates an update -> Internal testing --a while later--> Windows Insider users on "Fast ring" --a while later--> "Slow ring" --a while later--> Normal home/Pro users --a while later--> Enterprise users

If not enough people are getting the updates in previous circles this model doesn't work, though I'm sure MS would have contingency measures as risking Enterprise users would be too problematic for them. On the other hand this also gives MS a bigger testing group, one more diverse than MS could reproduce themselves. Each group of users "filter" things out, sending MS info to ideally correct bugs before the update is released to the outer "layer" of the system. Btw Pro and Enterprise users can postpone updates, and I'm sure there is one edition of Windows that can postpone them as much as the user might want. I, for one, choose to trust what Microsoft is doing now. As far as privacy goes its not like Google doesn't monitor every search result you click on anyway, regardless of your OS or browser.