VOGONS

Common searches


First post, by Tetrium

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Occasionally new members appear here on Vogons that are interested in doing something with old hardware, often fueled by nostalgia.
However, like myself, when I started fiddling around with old hardware, I hardly knew what I was doing!

So I started reading on the internet and in time, found some very entertaining, good and easy to read articles

The purpose of this thread is to put the links to many of those good reads all in 1 place, with all the links in the very first post so it's easy to find.

A good way for any retro 'newb' ( sorry LoL 😜 ) to start is by reading the redhill guide:
http://www.redhill.net.au/ig.html
This website features the 1st hand experience in a computer repair shop somewhere in Australia I think.
It has some nice information about motherboards, processors and harddrives and also has some good info as to why PC-Chips and it's 20-odd clone names are to be avoided.
An absolutely recommended entry level read! 😉

Another fun read was the following article:
http://accelenation.com/wp-content/uploads/20 … of_graphics.pdf
Related article (basically a rewrite of the above linked article):
http://forum.overclock3d.net/index.php?/topic … -history-guide/
It's a nicely written story about early graphics cards, starting from when PCI was very new to around 2002.
Very nice about this article is that it also features the beginning of computergame graphics from just before 3DFX entered the scene (must remember the 3DFX Voodoo 😉 )the rise and fall of 3DFX and the start of the rivalry between NVidia and ATI (later becoming AMD)

Now on to Windows!
Windows is (along with pure DOS) the preferred OS for retro gaming.
The best site I've found is in German, but it's very nice as it has a lot of articles all in 1 bunch and the website is very easy to navigate through.
If you can't read German then I'd suggest to use google translate:
German: http://www.winhistory.de/index.php
Translated:
http://translate.google.nl/translate?js=n&pre … .de%2Findex.php

Theres also an interesting thread right here on Vogons where we mention what we consider the minimum system requirements for running any particular version of Windows:
What are your minimum Windows system requirements?

Another good source of info happens to be wikipedia . It has quite detailed info about all kinds of hardware and it's generally well written. A good way to start exploring retro hardware and a good place for a leap towards more specialized websites.

Now on to part 2:
In this section I'll supply some links that have a LOT of basic info all bunched up together for easy reference.
The 1st one is about CPU's. More specifically, about how much heat they produce.
If you lived in the early/mid 90's you might have heard about the very first Pentium and about how much heat they produced!
But...how much heat do they produce?
And why was the Pentium 4 considered a hothead?
Was the AMD K6-III really that hot? And how cool did the Pentium 3 really run at?
This webpage provides a list of almost all relevant CPU's and the heat they produced. It's very comprehensive!
It's also a personal favorite of mine 😀
Old site http://mysite.verizon.net/pchardwarelinks/elec_pentium.htm
http://pclinks.xtreemhost.com/
The rest of the webpage has some more interesting articles, including graphics cards and older chipsets (specifically their cacheable area).

The next is a German website that has 1 very interesting page!
It lists all graphics cards all the way from 4MB to the most recent ones in order of slow to fast. Really handy if you want to quickly compare 2 very different cards to eachother!
http://www.pc-erfahrung.de/grafikkarte/vga-gr … krangliste.html

Info about very old graphics cards is very hard to come by these days. I'm talking about ISA, VLB and the very earliest PCI graphics cards.
Ever heard of Oak? Trident? Cirrus Logic?
Heck, even Western Digital (known these days for their harddrives) used to make graphics chips!
It's not very detailed, but it's nice to have info about cards of this age all on 1 page.
http://www.uni-giessen.de/faq/archiv/pc-hardw … s/msg00000.html

Now, for building a computer, you'll obviously need a motherboard!
For the newer ones you can usually find manuals on the manufacturers website. But the very old ones are often deleted (or the company itself seized to exist). Luckily someone made one single VERY large website which contains all the jumper settings of those very old and long forgotten motherboards. It's called "Total Hardware 99"!
http://www.ccs-a.com/th99/
This isn't the only webpage. If this one ever disappears (others have come and gone in the past) then do a google search for "th99" or "Total Hardware 99".

If you're looking for pictures of CPU's (and a bit of info + a very active forum full of helpful people 😉 )then http://www.cpu-world.com is a very good place to start.
It also has a nice benchmark database which is a good start to compare the performance of these old CPU's.

Have a good read!

Tetrium

===========
Added links go under here:

Old computers (or "old harddrive controllers" to be more specific) are plagued by limitations to the size of the harddrive that it can recognize. For people new to retro computing this may come as a surprise (though there being limits in itself doesn't have to come as a surprise, theres always some limits left or right) and it's handy to know these beforehand before one tries in vain to connect a 200GB IDE drive to a 40p ISA IDE controller.
A couple good reads are here:
http://www.dewassoc.com/kbase/hard_drives/har … ze_barriers.htm

Edit: Found something interesting the other day. Apparently someone made a large image with pictures of all the relevant sockets, memory slots etc.
It's quite complete, link:
http://sonic840.deviantart.com/art/Computer-h … r-1-7-111402099

Edit2:Link added to Vogons thread about Win min sys req's.

Edit3:Link updated to processor electrical specification

Edit4:Attached a txt file with a list of Creative Soundblaster part numbers.
The txt file includes the original link

Edit5:Added a link about harddrive limitations. Silly how I could've missed that 😳

Attachments

Last edited by Tetrium on 2011-09-20, 20:27. Edited 10 times in total.

Reply 1 of 31, by retro games 100

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

Excellent post! 😀 Perhaps this thread could be "stickied"? Also, I think there are some good books on "google books", like how to upgrade your old PC hardware, that kind of thing.

Reply 3 of 31, by Tetrium

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Cheers!

Redhill was one of my first reads as well. I think it's very good, though I don't -always- agree with them 😉
I put it in my sig, so others can find it later 😉

Whats missing in your collections?
My retro rigs (old topic)
Interesting Vogons threads (links to Vogonswiki)
Report spammers here!

Reply 4 of 31, by Mau1wurf1977

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

But but but what about references to our own posts 🤣

There is SOOOOO much knowledge on VOGONS. We just need a way to organise / present it.

Anyone else find the search function tricky? It works well if you search by posts instead of threads and change the combo box to look for exact words.

But boy, there is so much knowledge here! Because we discover new things all the time. As good as they guides on the internet are, many are 10 years old with no updates and little "hands-on" experience.

Reply 5 of 31, by Tetrium

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Lol 😜

I find it easier to use google search, just type "Vogons" + "Insert what you want to find here"
I know Vogons has a lot of good info, but so do countless other sites. Theres so much info and so many sites that present little or false info, it's really hard to weed out the best out of the good and ugly 😉

And this is intended to help retro newbs 😉

Also, if anyone has a question about something particular (or wants to hear from someone who does have 1st hand experience with a particular piece of hardware) then they can just ask us, right? 😉

Whats missing in your collections?
My retro rigs (old topic)
Interesting Vogons threads (links to Vogonswiki)
Report spammers here!

Reply 6 of 31, by EscapeVelocity

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Tom's Hardware Archive going back to 1997. CPU Benchmarks, Motherboards, Video Cards, etc.

Anandtech Archive going back to 1997. Similar to Tom's.

Stason.org Schematics and FAQs on old hardware, information galore.

ixtblabs.com Lots of old reviews, comparisons, and tests.

storagereview Lots of information on vintage hard drives and other storage devices.

cdrlabs Revies of old CD R/Ws and DVD R/W going back to about 2000.

Oldskool.org

http://www.oldskool.org/

VGALegacy Pics and Benchmarks of early to late 90s video cards.

http://82.114.193.227/vga2/

Atarimagazines

http://www.atarimagazines.com/

Amiga Magazine Rack

http://amr.abime.net/

Computer Gaming World Museum/Archive 15 years of magazines Issue #1 through #150 1996.

http://cgw.vintagegaming.org/

Commodore Magazines

http://www.bombjack.org/commodore/magazines.htm

Reply 7 of 31, by Mau1wurf1977

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++
Tetrium wrote:

they can just ask us, right? 😉

I think that's the main reason why VOGONS is awesome!

Also if someone posts something inaccurate, people quickly jump in to correct the statement.

I have come across a lot of "guides", stating things incorrect things, with no reference and no way to edit / change (like on a WIKI).

What really fascinates me is that we still discover new knowledge after all these years! Truly fascinating...

Reply 8 of 31, by Malik

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

True. There are lots of knowledgable people over here, with their vast experiences following suit. Most of the time, we get immediate and prompt answers which are more or less, precise to the point. There are lots of sites catering for old or vintage hardwares, and Vogons is one of them, and definitely my favourite one.

The rules are a bit strict here, but that's what keep this site focused, and precise to the point.

And maybe it's just personal preference, but I think for me, the site colours here are warm and pleasing to the eye!

And it's very neat & clean too! 😁

Having said that, Tetrium's post is a good example of how ample is the knowledge flowing over in this site!
EscapeVelocity's links also will direct those who are looking for them.

Nice! 😁

5476332566_7480a12517_t.jpgSB Dos Drivers

Reply 9 of 31, by Jorpho

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

I rather like the "VGA Charts" specifically on Tom's Hardware, but I'm not sure how applicable they are to really old stuff, and even then perhaps they're not as useful as they look.

As an English alternative to Winhistory (which is indeed quite nifty), I recommend the ToastyTech GUI gallery, specifically http://toastytech.com/guis/indexwindows.html .

Reply 11 of 31, by Tetrium

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Cheers everyone! 😁

It's not that these are all the good links I know (one I didn't put in there is msfn.org, THE forum about modern day use of older versions of windows, along with hundreds, maybe thousands, of patches, mods, GUI enhancements, and a LOT more!) but I wanted to keep the OP clean and related only to info that's useful for people (retro newbs 😉 ) looking for introductory articles about hardware.
If you want anything more specific, then the pages on wikipedia are a good starting point!
Anything more? Then it's time to search the google! (or be lazy and ask here 😜).

Mau1wurf1977 wrote:

What really fascinates me is that we still discover new knowledge after all these years! Truly fascinating...

Same!
It´s amazing that new stuff is discovered concerning hardware that´s been out there for 15 years, been through hundreds of thousands of hands, and still new discoveries are made!

What also fascinates me is that, the older hardware gets, the more it seems like a jungle or something. Info gets harder to find, forums which had LOTS of info about specific hardware are gone (I once found a VERY good forum about the ASUS A7V series with HUNDREDS of threads, how to make it stable, how best to "memory it up", etc. I kept a few threads but it's a dead shame the whole forum is deleted 🙁
I hope the K6+ forums don't go that way also!).

This is why I download stuff for myself, and call it my offline database.
Don't ask me how I did it, but I managed to fill up the (around?)160GB partition that contains the database, and the other partitions to temporarily make room 😜)

The wealth of info and the concentration of "retro pro's" on this forum is just amazing!
And the thing is, new people seem to keep flocking in!

What I also like about Vogons is that in my opinion, it's not as strictly moderated, the admin team seem to let things run their coarse (Thanks to the admin/moderator team for this!) and it seem to work just fine 😀.

And the reason why I made this thread, when I was new to (retro)computing, which was back in 2002/2003 [Edit:damn...is it that long ago already!end Edit], the articles in the OP were exactly the kind of articles I needed to get things flowing!
But you needed a lot of luck to stumble upon them, hence I conveniently put them all in 1 spot 😉

Whats missing in your collections?
My retro rigs (old topic)
Interesting Vogons threads (links to Vogonswiki)
Report spammers here!

Reply 12 of 31, by Mau1wurf1977

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

Yea it's our responsibility to keep all this knowledge alive. Just imagine someone reading something we did in 100 years time. How cool would that be!

My website with reviews, demos, drivers, tutorials and more...
My YouTube channel

Reply 13 of 31, by sgt76

User metadata
Rank Oldbie
Rank
Oldbie

For the OCD system builder who must build a period correct gaming rig, old issues of Maximum PC from 98 on:
http://books.google.com.my/books/serial/ISSN: … &sa=N&start=120

Need to choose a retro platform? Research and compare 65 different CPUs from 1989 to 2003:
http://www.thg.ru/cpu/20030218/print.html

Confused about which video card to plop into your perfect retro system?
http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/retro/retro2003-2.html

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles2/over2003/

http://www.tga3dx.com/

A retro rig needs retro software:

Win 9x tweaks, tips, tricks and updates:
http://www.mdgx.com/

Win 98 Revolutions pack - give your Win98 desktop the Vista-esque look:
http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/131040-revolutions-pack-97/

Old versions of software that work on Win9x
http://www.oldapps.com/
http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/index.html
software + drivers: http://www.oldversion.com/index.php

Drivers:
3dfx Voodoo
http://www.falconfly.de/
drivers + all things 3dfx: http://www.3dfxzone.it/index.php

Matrox
http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/support/drivers/latest/

S3
drivers- http://www.s3graphics.com/en/drivers/legacy_s … re_archive.aspx
tweaks- http://www22.brinkster.com/ivanf/ivanfsavage.html

Nvidia & ATi tweaked drivers & utils- use your FireGL and Quadros to game, the way it isn't meant to be played!
http://downloads.guru3d.com/

VIA- go to for the 4-in-1 drivers, without which your Apollo Pro will run like ass 😵
http://www.via.com.tw/en/support/drivers.jsp

Tualatin pin mod- convert almost any s370 board to run Tuallies.
http://home.arcor.de/frogge/pepper/tua/tuareport1.html
http://pipux.net/index.php?id=15

and when buying old ass hardware, try to not buy ones with busted caps. Like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
-edited-

Last edited by sgt76 on 2011-09-21, 15:14. Edited 6 times in total.

Reply 14 of 31, by EscapeVelocity

User metadata
Rank Member
Rank
Member

Thanks sgt76. Yeah, that is one of the appealing things about building a retro rig, that you can basically pick and choose any (and all) of the top gear you drooled after, for a pittance.

Reply 16 of 31, by SquallStrife

User metadata
Rank l33t
Rank
l33t

Older editions of Upgrading and Repairing PCs are freakin awesome! They go into pretty gory detail on stuff like choosing RAM, esoteric BIOS options, and so forth.

I've ordered the 1996 edition for 1p plus delivery.

Bargain!

Reply 17 of 31, by Tetrium

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++
SquallStrife wrote:

Older editions of Upgrading and Repairing PCs are freakin awesome! They go into pretty gory detail on stuff like choosing RAM, esoteric BIOS options, and so forth.

I've ordered the 1996 edition for 1p plus delivery.

Bargain!

^Agrees!

I bought one years ago and it was dated when Pentium 2 was just at the horizon. Used it as a bookread before geing to sleep on countless accounts 😀

Whats missing in your collections?
My retro rigs (old topic)
Interesting Vogons threads (links to Vogonswiki)
Report spammers here!

Reply 19 of 31, by Tetrium

User metadata
Rank l33t++
Rank
l33t++

*Bump*

I'm still updating this from time to time 😉

I'm considering writing a better version including perhaps a couple miniguides.
Anyone have any suggestions? The article is supposed to be aimed towards people who hardly know anything about retro computing but also include links to good generic sites.

And feel free to report any broken links! 😁

Whats missing in your collections?
My retro rigs (old topic)
Interesting Vogons threads (links to Vogonswiki)
Report spammers here!