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Postby dexvx » 2017-10-15 @ 16:53

TheAbandonwareGuy wrote:I value items based on there usefulness primarily. A v5500 can do very little beyond what a V3 can do. GLIDE support was dead by the time the 5500 launched.


That was my sentiment when VSA-100 launched. However, looking back 15+ years later, they are significantly different. Image quality is much higher at a baseline, even moreso with FSAA on.


Anyways... Dual Xeon 771 workstation (5000x Greencreek chipset) motherboard for $50 US shipped. Supermicro X7DAL-E standard ATX form factor. Trying to find difference between this and X7DAE, and it seems it's one less PCI-X and IPMI. Wonder how low offer he will take.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Micro-X7D ... 2684128457
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Postby kithylin » 2017-10-15 @ 18:45

dexvx wrote:
TheAbandonwareGuy wrote:I value items based on there usefulness primarily. A v5500 can do very little beyond what a V3 can do. GLIDE support was dead by the time the 5500 launched.


That was my sentiment when VSA-100 launched. However, looking back 15+ years later, they are significantly different. Image quality is much higher at a baseline, even moreso with FSAA on.


Anyways... Dual Xeon 771 workstation (5000x Greencreek chipset) motherboard for $50 US shipped. Supermicro X7DAL-E standard ATX form factor. Trying to find difference between this and X7DAE, and it seems it's one less PCI-X and IPMI. Wonder how low offer he will take.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Micro-X7D ... 2684128457


I've bought from Freshcells before on ebay, they don't usually budge too far on their listings even with make an offer (like -$5 or -$10) but they do ship stuff in awesome packaging and usually arrives working in the 3 things I've bought from em.
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Postby luckybob » 2017-10-15 @ 18:54

dexvx wrote:
TheAbandonwareGuy wrote:I value items based on there usefulness primarily. A v5500 can do very little beyond what a V3 can do. GLIDE support was dead by the time the 5500 launched.


That was my sentiment when VSA-100 launched. However, looking back 15+ years later, they are significantly different. Image quality is much higher at a baseline, even moreso with FSAA on.


Anyways... Dual Xeon 771 workstation (5000x Greencreek chipset) motherboard for $50 US shipped. Supermicro X7DAL-E standard ATX form factor. Trying to find difference between this and X7DAE, and it seems it's one less PCI-X and IPMI. Wonder how low offer he will take.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Micro-X7D ... 2684128457


they make wonderful systems. I'm typing on one right now. Slightly different board: http://www.supermicro.com/products/moth ... 7DCA-L.cfm

These boards are solid as a fracking rock.
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Postby kithylin » 2017-10-15 @ 19:36

luckybob wrote:they make wonderful systems. I'm typing on one right now. Slightly different board: http://www.supermicro.com/products/moth ... 7DCA-L.cfm

These boards are solid as a fracking rock.


I have a dual-socket 1366/1st-gen-i7 SuperMicro board in the other room as my file server. I've had it running 24-7-365 going on 7 years now daily, (except occasional down-time for upgrades or maintenance on my UPS or something) It's been rock solid for me and hasn't let me down yet. Zero issues what so ever with it, still just trucking along today. SuperMicro is pretty much "The Rock" for enterprise / workstation grade motherboards. And compatibility is fantastic usually. I just 2 months ago upgraded it to a pair of 3.7 ghz / 12MB quad cores and I've spoken with someone else online that has my same SuperMicro dual-1366 board.. tells me it'll take dual-3.6 Ghz 6-core i7's, and has his running with 192GB ram even though supermicro only advertises our boards as 96GB max. I'm just at 48GB with mine so far, wanting more so I can run more VM's .. some day when ram prices drop again.
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Postby luckybob » 2017-10-15 @ 19:42

hells yea! This is the board I use for my server: http://www.supermicro.com/products/moth ... DTL-iF.cfm

Runs freenas just fine with 24x 1tb drives. The previous file server was this: http://www.supermicro.com/products/moth ... DA8-G2.cfm

It still runs fine, but is just too inefficient for 24/7 use. I calculated a yearly savings of like $75 in electricity. Then another $20 a year by getting a platinum level power supply.

I have the footage to make a video about the upgrade, I just haven't done it.
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Postby dexvx » 2017-10-15 @ 21:06

Jade Falcon wrote:No hes not. Good agp 6800gt can go for around 40-50$ For quite some time and often do. The ultras go fo around 70-80$


Deals can always be had if searched. This BFG 6800 Ultra OC went for around $40 shipped.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BFG-Technologie ... 3197879743

As for the Supermicro X7DAL board, I need to check work to see if I can grab some free FB-DIMM's and maybe an old Xeon heatsink.
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Postby Jade Falcon » 2017-10-15 @ 21:27

True good deals can aways be had. Like the one you linked. In its case its a porly listed item that got less notice.
Also keep in mind its a 128mb card too.

I onow i sead this before but you can get really good deals buy looking up stuff by part numbers.
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Postby luckybob » 2017-10-15 @ 21:29

I wouldn't use FB dimms in anything unless you paid me. They are hot and power hungry. The board I linked uses normal ecc/reg ddr2. I'd stay away from fb dimms like *insert colorful analogy here*
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Postby hard1k » 2017-10-15 @ 21:30

What about Skulltrail?
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Postby Jade Falcon » 2017-10-15 @ 21:32

FB is not that bad. Yes it can run hot as hell and pulls way more power but that realy only a problem if yiu running like 8+ sticks.
I only wish there were decent heatsinks out there for them.
I know kingston made real nice 1.8v fb ram with good heatsinks.
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Postby kithylin » 2017-10-15 @ 21:33

luckybob wrote:I wouldn't use FB dimms in anything unless you paid me. They are hot and power hungry. The board I linked uses normal ecc/reg ddr2. I'd stay away from fb dimms like *insert colorful analogy here*


The problem though is the supermicro board you linked that uses normal ddr2 ecc-reg ram (X7DCA-L) the cheapest one I find on ebay is $119. The one linked above in this thread is the FB-Dimm one but it's pretty cheap, about $50.

hard1k wrote:What about Skulltrail?

Intel Skulltrail also uses Fully Buffered dimms and is hot and power hungry as well.
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Postby luckybob » 2017-10-15 @ 21:35

kithylin wrote:
luckybob wrote:I wouldn't use FB dimms in anything unless you paid me. They are hot and power hungry. The board I linked uses normal ecc/reg ddr2. I'd stay away from fb dimms like *insert colorful analogy here*


The problem though is the supermicro board you linked that uses normal ddr2 ecc-reg ram (X7DCA-L) the cheapest one I find on ebay is $119. The one linked above in this thread is the FB-Dimm one but it's pretty cheap, about $50.

hard1k wrote:What about Skulltrail?

Intel Skulltrail also uses Fully Buffered dimms and is hot and power hungry as well.



news to me. Last I looked, the board was like $70 shipped.

Also I "WANT" a Skulltrail. I just wouldn't use it.
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Postby kithylin » 2017-10-15 @ 21:37

luckybob wrote:news to me. Last I looked, the board was like $70 shipped.

Also I "WANT" a Skulltrail. I just wouldn't use it.


https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&LH_BIN=1&_nkw=X7DCA-L&_sop=15

Cheapest is $116.09 from hong kong
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Postby Eleanor1967 » 2017-10-15 @ 23:11

Big AT tower with a AMD 486DX2 inside on german ebay:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Highscreen-histo ... 1438.l2649
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Postby dexvx » 2017-10-15 @ 23:27

The ultimate workstation dual 771 board would be Seaberg based (like Skulltrail). It has official support for 1600FSB Xeons as well as two full PCIe gen2 x16 lanes (the 5100 and 5000 series is only 16 + 4 configuration), and an advanced snoop filter. But these are few and rare (https://www.supermicro.com/products/mot ... 7DWA-N.cfm) because there was only a 1 year gap between it and the 5500 Tylersburg/Nehalem.

Now the differences between Greencreek (5000x) and San Clemente (5100) is that FB-DIMM allows you to have more memory at expense of power. The 5000x also has a snoop filter to try and mitigate inter-socket cache hits, for better performance. Ironically the 5000p (Blackford) lacked this because it was targeted at server and the thought process was server workloads are more parallel and thus had less cache coherency issues. Since 5100 is usually targeted at a lower price point (and lacked an additional PCIe x4 port), it was paired with an ICH9 instead of the server oriented ESB2. The LOM's on the 5100 are desktop 82573's instead of server 82563's (which are very similar to the 82571, Pro/1000 PT's).

I'm still thinking about getting that X7DAL. Depends if I can dig through my workplace to find FB-DIMM's or 771 heatsinks.
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Postby kithylin » 2017-10-15 @ 23:44

Speaking of dual-771 boards. I found this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/331704252981

$19.95 shipped with make an offer and $15.95 shipping.

Now.. I know this was originally an HP server board. I know it originally went an HP server chassis. But it does appear to have nromal ATX-24-pin power and dual-EPS-12V plugs for cpu's ... and it has (1) PCIE-16x slot.. I know these originally had a riser go in that slot and split it to multiple smaller PCIE slots. I think it originally was split in to 8+8. But it almost looks like normal ATX mount holes.. not sure if it really is but it looks like it. Normal sata ports... Does anyone know anything about these boards? Will these work outside of the original chassis? It has 16 ram slots for pete's sake.... Any idea what kind of ram it takes? :exclamation: :confused:

EDIT: Searching for "HP DL160 ram" in ebay results in lots of listing for FBDIMMS But some listings show normal ecc-registered ddr2 also listed as good for the DL160.. so no idea really.

Searching through pdf's and specs I don't think this is anything to do with any of the DL-160 family of boards, they all look radically different than this one. Mis-labeled I think.
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Postby Ozzuneoj » 2017-10-16 @ 01:45

dexvx wrote:The ultimate workstation dual 771 board would be Seaberg based (like Skulltrail). It has official support for 1600FSB Xeons as well as two full PCIe gen2 x16 lanes (the 5100 and 5000 series is only 16 + 4 configuration), and an advanced snoop filter. But these are few and rare (https://www.supermicro.com/products/mot ... 7DWA-N.cfm) because there was only a 1 year gap between it and the 5500 Tylersburg/Nehalem.

Now the differences between Greencreek (5000x) and San Clemente (5100) is that FB-DIMM allows you to have more memory at expense of power. The 5000x also has a snoop filter to try and mitigate inter-socket cache hits, for better performance. Ironically the 5000p (Blackford) lacked this because it was targeted at server and the thought process was server workloads are more parallel and thus had less cache coherency issues. Since 5100 is usually targeted at a lower price point (and lacked an additional PCIe x4 port), it was paired with an ICH9 instead of the server oriented ESB2. The LOM's on the 5100 are desktop 82573's instead of server 82563's (which are very similar to the 82571, Pro/1000 PT's).

I'm still thinking about getting that X7DAL. Depends if I can dig through my workplace to find FB-DIMM's or 771 heatsinks.

I had a couple of Supermicro X7DCAL boards. I still have one of them. I used either two L5240 (Dual 3Ghz 40W TDP) or two L5420 (Quad 2.5Ghz 50W TDP) and 8GB unbuffered ECC DDR2. When I bought them they were an incredible value in ~2013. I had maybe $200 into a system with either 4 threads at 3Ghz or 8 threads at 2.5 (depending on the CPU), with low wattage and 8GB of memory (including PSU, entry level gaming card and HDD). They were certainly not for those looking for a super simple board... the BIOS Setup is extremely complicated, and they had teething problems with sound cards, but they worked quite well as a powerful yet very inexpensive HTPC setup (at the time). The most expensive parts of the entire setup were the heatsinks\fans. I bought Supermicro heatsinks and attached 80mm Panaflo fans to them and it worked quite well. I only wish it were possible to overclock on those boards. I could probably have had dual 3.5Ghz quad cores with ease. DDR3 would have been nice as well... DDR2-667 is very slow by today's standards.

Not sure what to do with the last one of those I have here. Its still quite a powerful system. Do they have any practical use in retro computing? Any hidden DOS\ISA compatibility in there? ;)
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Postby kithylin » 2017-10-16 @ 08:32

http://www.ebay.com/itm/222647114524

Socket 7 PCI Motherboard with Pentium-75 CPU & Heatsink - $20.00 free shipping in USA. Has make an offer.

Seller says powers on with long beep. Could be they don't know how to configure systems this old. Maybe jumpers are wrong. Maybe they have the ram in the wrong slots. Maybe an opportunity for someone.

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http://www.ebay.com/itm/112358661262

Micronics AT motherboard. Pretty sure this is a 386 motherboard, very similar to my 386 board I have.

No ram, no cache, has bios chip installed and some other "CHIPS" chip. Some corrosion around where the battery used to be (Battery has been removed). Corrosion doesn't seem to be too severe (I don't spy any traces eaten through), and I've certainly seen much worse battery damage before. Possibly just surface corrosion that's cleanable. Corrosion did get to the first ISA slot it seems.

But $11.99 + $10 shipping ($21.99). No CPU installed currently.
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Postby Scraphoarder » 2017-10-16 @ 14:48

Another Supermicro dual 771 board. $29.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/372025125309
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