I wouldn't mind this so much if the recent Windows 10 previews weren't complete crap. When I initially installed 10 everything was fine and dandy, but a few updates in everything started going wrong:

• Desktop images show corruption (really unclear what's so hard about loading a simple image and tiling it).
• The start menu becomes corrupt, or disappears altogether.
• Windows explorer and other programs become completely non-responsive.

Hoping the update scheduled for this week resolves some of that, but since these things have persisted through a few weeks of updates I'm worried.

🤣 Boy am I glad I was forced into using linux when XP reached the end of the line. There is no way in hell I'm ever going back.

Try Fedora if you get a chance Skyscraper, it's probably the best option for those new to linux up to a moderate user. If you need any proof about how good it is though the creator of Linux is using it, Linus Torvalds himself.

I'm with you though, I lived most of my life offline and I would be just as happy to disconnect again and go back to living offline.

Skyscraper wrote:

This has nothing to do with me hating Microsoft or anything like that but Im not very found of the "modern Internet" with APP stores, adds, bloat and massive information gathering. With an open source OS you at least have some control over the crap you are running, well if you take the time to read the docs that is.

I despise "modern design" both online and off. Where things are seemingly changed just to change them
and it appears that the designers only worried about looks and not functionality at all.

Bloat bloat bloat blah!

For sequrity reasons, you need the latest software when dealing with money and such.
I would never ever use XP for that or an un-updated Linux.

When dealing with retro computing, then it does not matter.
As long as the machine is disconnected from the internet.

brostenen wrote:

When dealing with retro computing, then it does not matter.
As long as the machine is disconnected from the internet.

I've used old PC's (win 95) on the web. It's not that great anyway for modern websites.

ahendricks18 wrote:

brostenen wrote:

When dealing with retro computing, then it does not matter.
As long as the machine is disconnected from the internet.

I've used old PC's (win 95) on the web. It's not that great anyway for modern websites.

Modern viruses wouldn't probably even run 🤣

Who cares about 7? What about XP? I loved that OS. It was my second favorite OS after Windows 98.

We are talking about a PC for everyday use, not gaming. You do not really want to be running around on the internet unpatched. Win7 will continue to receive security updates for several years to come.

Besides, there's really few I couldn't get to work with 7 after some work.

collector wrote:

We are talking about a PC for everyday use, not gaming. You do not really want to be running around on the internet unpatched. Win7 will continue to receive security updates for several years to come.

The issue is greatly overblown. Unpatched OSes are rarely a problem.
I put just about all my machines on the net with 0 issues. I just wouldn't do anything sensitive on an old machine

mirh wrote:

ahendricks18 wrote:

brostenen wrote:

When dealing with retro computing, then it does not matter.
As long as the machine is disconnected from the internet.

I've used old PC's (win 95) on the web. It's not that great anyway for modern websites.

Modern viruses wouldn't probably even run 🤣

You will still have to wait years for advertisements on a page to load. Assuming that internet exploder will open msn

You can browse the net without to much issue with 9x.
Kernel ex + opera 10.x+

^ sure, general browsing seems fine(on 10.62/w.out kernelex), most of the time...

BUT logging in anywhere important has totally been messed with over the last year.... 😢

Started with some favourite webshops about 1 year ago bowing to the surfpad gods(redoing their webpage vs mobile units), and then suddenly GOG totally killed my account(no login possible!) over night this summer for the same reasons.

And as a bonus Christmas gift, my daily bank(!) has gone to the Dark side as well.... (and they have NO physical offices!)

The universe apparantly thinks I really need to get a new OS/browser/computer, pronto.... 😜

(yes, I DO know it is futile to fight 'progress', but still annoying...... 🤣 )

bestemor wrote:

^ sure, general browsing seems fine(on 10.62/w.out kernelex), most of the time... […]
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^ sure, general browsing seems fine(on 10.62/w.out kernelex), most of the time...

BUT logging in anywhere important has totally been messed with over the last year.... 😢

Started with some favourite webshops about 1 year ago bowing to the surfpad gods(redoing their webpage vs mobile units), and then suddenly GOG totally killed my account(no login possible!) over night this summer for the same reasons.

And as a bonus Christmas gift, my daily bank(!) has gone to the Dark side as well.... (and they have NO physical offices!)

The universe apparantly thinks I really need to get a new OS/browser/computer, pronto.... 😜

(yes, I DO know it is futile to fight 'progress', but still annoying...... 🤣 )

More like web designers keep changing things with bloat just to change them or "modernize"

Even when I am not using an old browser, I hate "modern" design

bestemor wrote:

^ sure, general browsing seems fine(on 10.62/w.out kernelex), most of the time... […]
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^ sure, general browsing seems fine(on 10.62/w.out kernelex), most of the time...

BUT logging in anywhere important has totally been messed with over the last year.... 😢

Started with some favourite webshops about 1 year ago bowing to the surfpad gods(redoing their webpage vs mobile units), and then suddenly GOG totally killed my account(no login possible!) over night this summer for the same reasons.

And as a bonus Christmas gift, my daily bank(!) has gone to the Dark side as well.... (and they have NO physical offices!)

The universe apparantly thinks I really need to get a new OS/browser/computer, pronto.... 😜

(yes, I DO know it is futile to fight 'progress', but still annoying...... 🤣 )

So the rest of us should have websites requiring security for things like financial transactions remain compromised by older standards and protocols just because you refuse to upgrade for day to day usage? Someone that wants a dino for gaming or nostalgia is certainly understandable, but for real life tasks? Not every change is for change's sake alone.

So the rest of us should have websites requiring security for things like financial transactions remain compromised by older standards and protocols just because you refuse to upgrade for day to day usage? Someone that wants a dino for gaming or nostalgia is certainly understandable, but for real life tasks? Not every change is for change's sake alone.

I can understand improving security for things like banking and purchasing. But a lot of change IS only for the sake of change.

For example the weather underground website. It used to be good but now it sucks.
Less intuitive and slower

Don't get me wrong, I agree with all logical and rational opinions on this topic. Security is important, yes indeed.

- Still doesn't change the way I currently feel though... 😎

And I doubt the changes made to 'my' specific web sites had anything to do with security though. They all explained it with the mobile argument, getting more(LOL) user friendly and 'beautification'. Apparantly mobile units needs(?) some sort of 'overlay' login window to work properly ?? Which then clashes with my ancient browser's abilities. But then I am no expert on the technical side here, so this might as well be extra secure for all I know....

(this just being my very personal experience, which by no means imply that I want to impose security holes on all and sundry!)

bestemor wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I agree with all logical and rational opinions on this topic. Security is important, yes indeed. […]
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Don't get me wrong, I agree with all logical and rational opinions on this topic. Security is important, yes indeed.

- Still doesn't change the way I currently feel though... 😎

And I doubt the changes made to 'my' specific web sites had anything to do with security though. They all explained it with the mobile argument, getting more(LOL) user friendly and 'beautification'. Apparantly mobile units needs(?) some sort of 'overlay' login window to work properly ?? Which then clashes with my ancient browser's abilities. But then I am no expert on the technical side here, so this might as well be extra secure for all I know....

(this just being my very personal experience, which by no means imply that I want to impose security holes on all and sundry!)

Better mobile support is a reason. But IMO there should be a separate mobile site.
Regardless, I have no major problem with mobile even on older sites like this one

Another thing is websites that think they know best. Very frustrating.

For example, some sites I used to force the mobile site on older browsers with
m.<site>.com now automatically redirect to the heavy desktop site. Very stupid