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First post, by candle_86

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So the internet folks are finally here to really figure out whats going on, and for the last 3 days I've been using my phone, I burned through all 4gb of data, and they slowed me down to 128k, I remember 128k diffrently when my parents got us hooked up to the ISDN line that had been run the the school, we got in on that line and got 128k ourselves but I remember the internet working alot faster than it is currently. Maybe its because prior to getting on that ISDN line we had 36kkbs dialup service 🤣.

Reply 1 of 29, by frisky dingo

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The internet has changed a lot. Flash and adds alone have slowed things way down. Web pages are far more complex than they used to be. It really does suck 😵

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So whats the problem?

Reply 2 of 29, by smeezekitty

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128k is pretty slow but if you stick to mostly text sites, it is usable. How did you use 4 GB of data?
When using my mobile data connection, I am more mindful of data usage and don't even hit 1 GB/month

Reply 3 of 29, by candle_86

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I was mindful, I let steam connect so I could contact the key server, and it started updating HL2, it ate up the last 2gb of data before I realised what it was doing and boom 128k and the problem is that darn is 128k slow

Reply 4 of 29, by 2fort5r

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You're connecting your main computer to the internet via your phone?

I remember a friend with a laptop doing that in the 1990s. Being able to browse the internet while lying on a beach was pretty amazing at the time.

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Reply 6 of 29, by sliderider

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You need to be mindful of your bandwith limits on your mobile devices and don't waste it. Any app that you can run just as easily at home on your PC, you should do it there instead of on your devices if you don't have an unlimited data plan.

Reply 7 of 29, by Sammy

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I have mobile Data Flat... speed at 384k max, but no Data Limit..

I use this for web-radio streams when i am at work..

So my traffic is between 1 to 7 GB per Month (depends on how much i hear Radio)

Reply 8 of 29, by candle_86

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sliderider wrote:

You need to be mindful of your bandwith limits on your mobile devices and don't waste it. Any app that you can run just as easily at home on your PC, you should do it there instead of on your devices if you don't have an unlimited data plan.

wasn't trying to waste it, but all is well, ATT after a week finally got my service working.

Reply 9 of 29, by Private_Ops

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jwt27 wrote:
http://www.youtube.com: Main html: 67kB In-line elements: 1.4MB Javascript: 3.9MB ... with scriptblocker and adblocker enabled, […]
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http://www.youtube.com:
Main html: 67kB
In-line elements: 1.4MB
Javascript: 3.9MB
... with scriptblocker and adblocker enabled, even.

Not much fun with 128kbit.

Ugh... Javascript. I run the same plugins an its still a hog.

Reply 11 of 29, by Lo Wang

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If people had even the slightest idea about the kind of spying that goes on behind the curtains while running a mainstream browser and all the bandwidth wasted in establishing unsolicited connections to "familiar", "inoffensive", "statistics-gathering" servers such as google's...it's grotesque.

Get a less compromised browser such as Opera 12.14, disable anything you won't be using, hex out all the junk and block every other offending host at DNS level.

You'll be surprised at the increased browsing speed.

192kb man here.

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Reply 12 of 29, by candle_86

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yea I can't stand opera, it lacks features I use regularly such as cloud sync between devices. I have no qualms about my information being secure on the internet, to even attempt to make it so, is a fools errand. As for adds and such Addblock plus suits my needs just fine. If I want something kept private I don't store it on a computer.

Reply 13 of 29, by calvin

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I laugh at your faces with my 75/30 uncapped fibre internet. I stopped waiting for files to download years ago.

But my cell plan is crap - 100 MB data limit.

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Reply 14 of 29, by Lo Wang

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candle_86 wrote:

As for adds and such Addblock plus suits my needs just fine

I personally have no use for it, but I've seen some heavily list-based (many servers) add blockers waste a lot of bandwidth with overkill updating schedules. Watch out for that too.

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Reply 15 of 29, by obobskivich

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frisky dingo wrote:

The internet has changed a lot. Flash and adds alone have slowed things way down. Web pages are far more complex than they used to be. It really does suck 😵

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So whats the problem?

+1. Running around on the web in ~'99 with 56k was much less painful than it would be today, largely because of those changes. Back in the day there was a lot less multimedia content, and what did exist was generally much more compact, due to the general limits that most people had on their connections (not everyone had dial-up in the 90s, ofc, but a lot of people did).

Lo Wang wrote:

If people had even the slightest idea about the kind of spying that goes on behind the curtains while running a mainstream browser and all the bandwidth wasted in establishing unsolicited connections to "familiar", "inoffensive", "statistics-gathering" servers such as google's...it's grotesque.

Get a less compromised browser such as Opera 12.14, disable anything you won't be using, hex out all the junk and block every other offending host at DNS level.

Opera 12.x is/was great (and it's a shame Presto was replaced with WebKit/Blink/Chromium); just to point out though: they have released a more recent update, 12.19, to address Heartbleed. That's probably the last update that 12.x will ever receive though. You can get it here: http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=12.19

I've noticed in recent months many newer script-heavy sites being problematic with 12.19 though - nothing has really flagged it (whereas running an older version of Firefox, for example, can result in many Google sites popping up a warning), but it is certainly starting to show its age compared to active-development browsers like Internet Explorer or Firefox. In terms of objective security and compatibility testing, Presto no longer leads the pack like it once did, but there's still worse offenders out there (like embedded variants of Chrome) - with additional layered security (e.g. DNS filtering, script blocking, etc) its still not completely unserviceable though.

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yea I can't stand opera, it lacks features I use regularly such as cloud sync between devices. I have no qualms about my information being secure on the internet, to even attempt to make it so, is a fools errand. As for adds and such Addblock plus suits my needs just fine. If I want something kept private I don't store it on a computer.

Opera 12.x has sync, it's called Opera Link. It will integrate with Opera Mobile, and potentially Opera for Wii as well. Newer versions of Opera (post 12.x) are all based on Chrome, and have accordingly similar/common features with a different wrapper. I would also caution that ABP, despite its overwhelming popularity, is no longer the giant it once was - once they started selling whitelisting to the highest bidder it pretty much went downhill. There are forks which don't implement that "feature" - such as AdBlock Lattitude (for Pale Moon) or AdBlock Edge/uBlock.

The concern over "privacy" isn't really a matter of people not being able to steal your identity, as much as it is bypassing behavioral marketing/tracking, which can actually influence things like directed web searches and online shopping. For people who do a lot of online research, for example, blocking these kinds of things can actually improve their workload (the primary goal is bypassing clustered results); the same can go for online shopping, where tracking cookies are sometimes used by competitors sites to affect the pricing you're shown (this has been documented on travel websites). There's also a whole lot of bloat that can be removed by blocking this stuff efficiently, which would help with preserving a data allowance or maximizing performance on a given connection speed.

Reply 16 of 29, by pewpewpew

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obobskivich wrote:

Opera 12.x is/was great (and it's a shame Presto was replaced with WebKit/Blink/Chromium); just to point out though: they have released a more recent update, 12.19, to address Heartbleed. That's probably the last update that 12.x will ever receive though. You can get it here: http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=12.19

Just FYI, that link takes me to a page offering "Opera 12.19 for Linux x86-64" but the download button takes one to the normal download page for the current version of 29. In their archives the newest Presto for Win is 12.17, and for Linux and Mac it's 12.16.

(And yeah, it's a damn shame. I've used Opera since 3.5. It's going to be a big change when I finally close 12.16 for good.)

EDIT: This is interesting. Opera 12 was not vulnerable, but the autoupdater on Win was, hence the 12.17 version.
http://blogs.opera.com/security/2014/04/heart … eed-heartaches/

Reply 17 of 29, by obobskivich

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pewpewpew wrote:

Just FYI, that link takes me to a page offering "Opera 12.19 for Linux x86-64" but the download button takes one to the normal download page for the current version of 29. In their archives the newest Presto for Win is 12.17, and for Linux and Mac it's 12.16.

Interesting discovery: that page is the result of a scripting error. You can do neat things with it too:
http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=1.2.3.4.5
http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=12.28
http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=9001
http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=vogons
http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=...

etc

It appears 12.17 is the final build for Windows, 12.16 for Linux, and 12.14 for UNIX. Guess I remembered "12.19" incorrectly, and never thought to check if the download page from the official developer was the result of a scripting error. 🤣

You can get 12.17 in both Win32 and x64 flavors for Windows here:
http://arc.opera.com/pub/opera/win/1217/en/

On x64:
I've tried the x64 variants of 12.x in the past, and while it does perform somewhat better, it will break a lot of third-party plug-ins. Pale Moon for x64 has a similar warning: http://www.palemoon.org/palemoon-win64.shtml I specifically remember Acrobat and Flash having consistent problems with Opera x64. I'd hope they've improved this in the intervening years (honestly I tried something like 12.10 x64 when it was *new* (so that's like late 2012), and since it didn't work so well, switched back to Win32).

(And yeah, it's a damn shame. I've used Opera since 3.5. It's going to be a big change when I finally close 12.16 for good.)

EDIT: This is interesting. Opera 12 was not vulnerable, but the autoupdater on Win was, hence the 12.17 version.
http://blogs.opera.com/security/2014/04/heart … eed-heartaches/

Yeah, it wasn't the browser itself - should've specified that. 😊

Reply 18 of 29, by pewpewpew

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obobskivich wrote:

Aw, you get /letters/? It would only recognize numbers when I played with it, so I got bored. Oh, and a slash is converted into a 2.

Using Version 12.16 Build 1860 Platform Linux System x86_64, 3.13.0-37-generic, ... checking Firefox, and yeah the same result.

Reply 19 of 29, by obobskivich

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pewpewpew wrote:
obobskivich wrote:

Aw, you get /letters/? It would only recognize numbers when I played with it, so I got bored. Oh, and a slash is converted into a 2.

Using Version 12.16 Build 1860 Platform Linux System x86_64, 3.13.0-37-generic, ... checking Firefox, and yeah the same result.

It draws "ver=vogons" as "Opera for Windows" (as well as stuff like ver=!#@%##$^$%^), but it doesn't 404 or return an error (which it probably should). It will draw dots too. So something like this will produce more than just "Opera for Windows" - http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?ver=/./././././.

On both the Win32 and x64 flavors, 12.17 shows as Build 1863.