By the title I got scared that it's shutting down 😀

One thing I can confirm about this site is that I always had trouble navigating and finding what I want. Even before reading your post I had this opinion, not sure though if I'm the one to blame or the design.

smeezekitty wrote:

What an abomination modern sites are

You have not seen an abomination till you have seen what google did to the dejanews archive.

I think infinite scroll has it's place - we're finally moving away from copying print media layouts and it's about bloody time. Everything in moderation though, if a site's purpose is delivering structured content then obviously people will want to find sections easily and link to certain pages

badmojo wrote:

I think infinite scroll has it's place - we're finally moving away from copying print media layouts and it's about bloody time. Everything in moderation though, if a site's purpose is delivering structured content then obviously people will want to find sections easily and link to certain pages

For returning back to where you were, infinite scroll fails miserably. I don't think I have ever seen a place where I have liked it.

While I'm not a huge fan of infinite scroll, the new layout isn't honestly that bad - all of the text is searchable, so you can simply ctrl+F to whatever you want as long as it's on-screen (e.g. "finding your way back"). That said, the whole thing is a jumble - it's likely sorting things by "relevance" or "popularity" instead of something more ordered like alphabetical, size, or age sorting.

Just for fun, I tried it in Opera 12.17 (which is really not all that modern) with JScript disabled - it reverts to a paged layout showing textual summaries of each collection (same list order). This layout is actually much cleaner than the previous design, imho, and lends itself to clean viewing on my 900x1440 display (infinite scroll works there too, of course).

If you're merely presenting static information to the user, you can't possibly justify going beyond html 3.2; it is sufficient, and everything else vanity.

Lo Wang wrote:

If you're merely presenting static information to the user, you can't possibly justify going beyond html 3.2; it is sufficient, and everything else vanity.

You'd get no objections from me on that - simple is often fast. 😀

badmojo wrote:

I think infinite scroll has it's place - we're finally moving away from copying print media layouts and it's about bloody time.

Yeah - because copying the "medieval rolled-up parchment on a stick" layout is infinitely better, and not a regression at all. 🤣

This style of UI may be a nice shiny polish on top of turds like the Xbox One or Pinterest and whatnot, but on a site whose purpose is to organize information in a meaningful way, it's inexcusably brain-dead.

I could make a comprehensive list of all the ways in which this terrible hideousness breaks just about every single aspect of usability, but I've already done that on archive.org's feedback form. Considering how they're probably using the feedback they get, I hope they print it on really delicate toilet paper. 😉

Every one of these threads needs this image...

Lo Wang wrote:

smeezekitty wrote:

What an abomination modern sites are

You have not seen an abomination till you have seen what google did to the dejanews archive.

Agreed with every fiber in my being.

Skyscraper wrote:

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I <3 that image so much. Totally made my month the day it was posted.

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Great, El Diablo de los 7,000 Cachos makes a comeback >_< 😵

And VileRancour definitely deserves credit for creating this image 😁

As for archive.org, they deserve everything that's coming their way now 😐

smeezekitty wrote:

A few of you may have noticed the new internet archive site at archive.org.
Yet another site that has succumb to the disaster of modern web design..

Nooooooooooooooo!

This news has made me sad. I thoroughly despise the modern web page design layout and implementation..

In my opinion, the mid 2000's was the best period. Websites were usable enough on older browsers and systems, had all you needed, being text and pictures and maybe video. And that was that. I actually miss flash animations.

I don't like to browse the web using machines with old OS because it is a pain in the rear.

Archive.org tends to be buggy even on current OS/browsers but its better then nothing.

I think there needs to be a greasemonkey script or local proxy to deal with this, and also their wayback (stripping out the timeline and their other javascript things so it doesn't break elements like frames, and date range restricted browsing so no slipping into a decade later)

Stiletto wrote:

I <3 that image so much. Totally made my month the day it was posted.

Would need a slight update to make it all one linear column, with the menu choices at the top moved into a 'burger' that pops out through the side. 😀

leileilol wrote:

I think there needs to be a greasemonkey script or local proxy to deal with this, and also their wayback (stripping out the timeline and their other javascript things so it doesn't break elements like frames, and date range restricted browsing so no slipping into a decade later)

Stiletto wrote:

I <3 that image so much. Totally made my month the day it was posted.

Would need a slight update to make it all one linear column, with the menu choices at the top moved into a 'burger' that pops out through the side. 😀

Don't forget huge column bars of empty of space. Or maybe with a gaudy background.
I am completely puzzled why basically all monitors are going wide screen yet web sites are now only using narrow columns in the middle
of the screen. I can understand mobile users often view stuff in portrait but there should be more efficient use of screen space
when viewed on a landscape device.

Or a top bar that drops down as you scroll past the first paragraph, covering a good 1/4 or 1/3 of the screen. Let's also not forget the ubiquitous stationary social networking bar. Add in a popover iframe that demands you start clicking things before you can finish reading the first page.

Yeah, plus icons should have no text whatsoever next to them, and every option must be hidden behind as many unnecessary clicks as possible. Also, I didn't make it blinding enough - light grey on bright white is clearly the wave of the future.

Thing is, the old archive.org interface wasn't exactly the pinnacle of design perfection either. It was impossible to navigate and usually I had to search with the "collection:" option to find everything in a section of the site. There is tons of good information there, but the organization is one giant mess.