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Reply 500 of 1290, by kithylin

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agent_x007 wrote:

I got PCI-e 1.1 numbers for my NVMe 😀

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I did use latest driver (2.2.0.1703), and switched off PCI-e power saving features along with Write-cache buffer flushing.

That's pretty insane for PCIE-1.1 system.. What sort of system did you use this in for this test?

Reply 502 of 1290, by havli

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Does NVME really make a difference in real life performance compared to regular sata SSD? I know it shines in benchmarks... but let's have an example:
I'm using Kingston V300 240GB (which is lowend for today's standards) for OS and applications. After cold boot Windows 10 starts in maybe 10-15 seconds to login screen and another 20s after to load all the autostart stuff. Launching Firefox / Thunderbird / Excel / etc / takes no more than 2-3 seconds each. After everything is launched, I keep all the apps running until next reboot which is usually twice per month.

Maybe it is just me, but I find it very hard to get bottlenecked by SATA SSD. Slow CPU / GPU / not enough RAM.... that is easy to run into, but SSD is not.

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Reply 503 of 1290, by kithylin

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havli wrote:

Does NVME really make a difference in real life performance compared to regular sata SSD? I know it shines in benchmarks... but let's have an example:
I'm using Kingston V300 240GB (which is lowend for today's standards) for OS and applications. After cold boot Windows 10 starts in maybe 10-15 seconds to login screen and another 20s after to load all the autostart stuff. Launching Firefox / Thunderbird / Excel / etc / takes no more than 2-3 seconds each. After everything is launched, I keep all the apps running until next reboot which is usually twice per month.

Maybe it is just me, but I find it very hard to get bottlenecked by SATA SSD. Slow CPU / GPU / not enough RAM.... that is easy to run into, but SSD is not.

I guess it depends on your use-case. Some of us actually turn our computers off when we're not using them. Like.. no reason to have mine on when I'm asleep for example.. I shut mine off during the night every night myself. So having fast SSD's for the daily start up is really nice here. I used to have some really cheap patriot ones in my big 3770K, but went up to samsung pro's in raid-0 to gain about -10 seconds start up time overall for all apps. I also have windows auto-fill my login info so I bypass the startup / welcome screen, really saves -a lot- of time starting up.

Reply 504 of 1290, by havli

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Well, I'm using suspend to RAM (sleep mode)... so I do turn it off, in a way.
But doing a reboot every day, no - that would be too ineffective. I guess even the fastest SSD in the wourld couldn't start Windows and 10+ applications in like 2 seconds. Not to mention open files, projects and all this stuff. 🤣 So for this style of use most likely difference in SSDs is minimal.

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Reply 505 of 1290, by kithylin

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havli wrote:

Well, I'm using suspend to RAM (sleep mode)... so I do turn it off, in a way.
But doing a reboot every day, no - that would be too ineffective. I guess even the fastest SSD in the wourld couldn't start Windows and 10+ applications in like 2 seconds. Not to mention open files, projects and all this stuff. 🤣 So for this style of use most likely difference in SSDs is minimal.

Unfortunately running with extreme overclocks daily on my 3770K computer means sleep mode doesn't work anymore and I have to sacrifice it. If I sleep my computer then 1.) it never wakes up again.. just comes on, black screen and fans for gpu jump up to 100% mode and have to power cycle it, and #2. it makes the bios lose my OC settings.

So no sleep mode for me sadly.. so have to turn it off every day. I definitely saw a good increase in boot times and application load times going to a "Better" samsung pro SSD from the patriot ones though. So in some respects faster SSD's do make a difference and impact.

Reply 506 of 1290, by havli

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Interesting, I had no idea OC can prevent sleep mode from proper work. In that case I really hope 4.8 or 5GHz i7 7700k is not extreme enough to disable sleep mode (7700k is my main PC upgrade, X79 is finally going to retire). Living without sleep mode is no longer possible for me. 😵

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Reply 507 of 1290, by kithylin

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havli wrote:

Interesting, I had no idea OC can prevent sleep mode from proper work. In that case I really hope 4.8 or 5GHz i7 7700k is not extreme enough to disable sleep mode (7700k is my main PC upgrade, X79 is finally going to retire). Living without sleep mode is no longer possible for me. 😵

supposedly 5.0 - 5.2 ghz is "normal" for almost all 7700K systems. I'm using 3770K and I had to do -A LOT- of tweaking and use custom water cooling block on the voltage regulator + mosfest section before getting it stable at 4800 Mhz. The most I could get on air cooling was 4400 Mhz. And it's limited to 2282 Mhz ram, won't go any higher.

Reply 508 of 1290, by y2k se

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Most 7700K are temperature-limited to around 4.8 - 5.0 Ghz and require delidding to get higher. I completed a 3570K to 7700K upgrade last month. I ran the 3570K at 4.5 GHz and my 7700K is temperature-limited to 4.9 GHz for non-AVX loads and 4.7 for AVX loads. It gets in the low 80's under non-AVX Prime 95. It probably could do 5 GHz at 1.35v but I wanted to leave some room for ambient temperatures, GPU heat and heat soaking (the machine could be under high CPU and GPU load for 24+ consecutive hours).

I usually don't go for the windowed cases, but in this situation I did so I could use case lights to lighten the pedal area on my racing desk.

Parts list:
Intel Core i7-7700K 4.2GHz Quad-Core Processor
Corsair H115i 104.7 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler
Asus MAXIMUS IX HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard
Corsair Vengeance LED 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
Samsung 960 Evo 500GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive
EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB FTW Hybrid Gaming Video Card
Corsair Crystal 460X RGB ATX Mid Tower Case
EVGA SuperNOVA G2 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
StarTech.com 2 Port PCI Express SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Card Adapter with UASP - SATA PEXUSB3S24

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Reply 510 of 1290, by agent_x007

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havli wrote:

Does NVME really make a difference in real life performance compared to regular sata SSD? I know it shines in benchmarks... but let's have an example:
I'm using Kingston V300 240GB (which is lowend for today's standards) for OS and applications. After cold boot Windows 10 starts in maybe 10-15 seconds to login screen and another 20s after to load all the autostart stuff. Launching Firefox / Thunderbird / Excel / etc / takes no more than 2-3 seconds each. After everything is launched, I keep all the apps running until next reboot which is usually twice per month.

Maybe it is just me, but I find it very hard to get bottlenecked by SATA SSD. Slow CPU / GPU / not enough RAM.... that is easy to run into, but SSD is not.

Installing Windows 7 SP1 and it's updates was never faster 😀

NVMe's Up :
1) Performance (4k files and/or with high QD)
2) Size (this drives are a stick of gum in dimensions [M.2 2280], there are smaller ones available but they are slower)
3) Free SATA connectors for other stuff (more space for SSD's/HDD's in RAID 😀)

NVMe Down :
1) Booting is a bit tricky, but with right software can be done with external pendrive (or HDD in my case), on almost any machine.
2) Fastest ones can get quite hot, and even turn on throttling when @100% for too long (passive cooling required for stable performance).

Other :
1) You can always use AHCI base M.2 drives "B-key" for compatibility (they connect direcly to MB SATA port)
2) M-keyed AHCI M.2 can get 1GB/s+ Reads, but they are kind of rare/pricey (for now at least).
They also use PCI-e 2.0 x4 maximum (I think all NVMe capable drives are PCI-e 3.0 x4 [backwards compatible to PCI-e 1.1/2.0]).

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Reply 511 of 1290, by brostenen

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I don't usually buy modern hardware... Though I could not resist some cheap stuff in order to test them out.
So I bought these things for my OrangePI-Plus-2 computer, in order to build a OrangeRetroPI games console.

- Heatsinks for the CPU and the memory chips.
- SATA cable for the onboard SATA connnector.
- HDMI to VGA converter.
- PS1 to USB controller converter.

Going to be fun trying these things out and if they all work as they should, I might go ahead
and source a dead Amiga600/C64 + an Keyrah2 in order to build a sweet gaming machine.

Don't eat stuff off a 15 year old never cleaned cpu cooler.
Those cakes make you sick....

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Reply 512 of 1290, by ODwilly

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Bought an i7-870 for $15

Main pc: AsRock x370 Killer SLI a/c, Ryzen 5 2600, 1tb WD black nvme ssd, 24g ddr4 2400 @2933mhz, rx 480 8gb reference card, 2tb Hitachi Deskstar.
Retro PC: Soyo P4S Dragon, 3gb ddr 266, 120gb Maxtor, Geforce Fx 5950 Ultra, SB Live! 5.1

Reply 513 of 1290, by y2k se

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I think someone likes racing titles... Call it a hunch.

Cheaper than doing the real thing!

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Reply 515 of 1290, by oeuvre

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HP Compaq 8510w, made an offer on eBay and he accepted it. Total was less than $60 shipped.

Intel Core 2 Duo T8300 2.4GHz
3GB RAM (came with a single 2GB stick, had an extra 1GB lying around)
320GB 7200RPM HD (spare one lying around, came with 120GB 7200RPM HD, upgrading it to 128GB SSD)
NVIDIA Quadro FX570M
15.4" 1920x1200
DVD/RW drive
Intel 4965AGN
Very clean condition

I redid the thermal paste and cleaned the fan and heatsink. Was surprised how dust-free the inside was. Pretty sweet machine for its time.

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Reply 516 of 1290, by Dreamer_of_the_past

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rein_ein wrote:

Well here my ryzen 7 1700 arrived,mobo MSI B350M MORTAR ARCTIC on its way,same with ram.

Smart choice. Will be getting one too in a few months, but I am aiming for the R5 1600 (None X version) and a Biostar Micro ATX mobo. Biostar is very underrated, but I remember back in the days its rock solid motherboards.

Reply 517 of 1290, by nforce4max

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oeuvre wrote:
HP Compaq 8510w, made an offer on eBay and he accepted it. Total was less than $60 shipped. […]
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HP Compaq 8510w, made an offer on eBay and he accepted it. Total was less than $60 shipped.

Intel Core 2 Duo T8300 2.4GHz
3GB RAM (came with a single 2GB stick, had an extra 1GB lying around)
320GB 7200RPM HD (spare one lying around, came with 120GB 7200RPM HD, upgrading it to 128GB SSD)
NVIDIA Quadro FX570M
15.4" 1920x1200
DVD/RW drive
Intel 4965AGN
Very clean condition

I redid the thermal paste and cleaned the fan and heatsink. Was surprised how dust-free the inside was. Pretty sweet machine for its time.

Nice laptop for mid to late 2000s gaming and much better built than the cancer that passes for modern laptops, I really do miss how easy laptops were to work on back then.

On a far away planet reading your posts in the year 10,191.

Reply 518 of 1290, by Jade Falcon

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Picked me up a Z8PE-D12 and 6 120gb ssd's.
Raid0 anyone?

Still debating on the CPUs. Do I go 6 core or track down some of these 4.4ghz dual cores?

Reply 519 of 1290, by oeuvre

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$30 XPS710 on craigslist... upgrading it to Q6600 4GB RAM HD4850 and SSD.

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