kithylin wrote:

Because you're paying more money for "The ultimate Intel overclocking platform", motherboards with dual power connectors for extra overclocking stability (even single socket), when "normal server motherboards" like from supermicro only have 1 for single-socket, because more isn't needed. Most aftermarket HEDT motherboards also come with multiple power phases well beyond what's necessary.. again for overclocking stability, more traditional motherboards just have what's needed.. and expensive japanese low-ESR capacitors rated for like 150c @ 100,000 hours or more, again.. not necessary, but good for overclocking.. And I don't know about Intel 2066, but many Intel HEDT aftermarket motherboards (like for x58 definitely) also don't support ecc-registered memory. Which most xeons and "server motherboards" do support. It's just, sometimes (I don't know if it's true today) but if you're just going to run a xeon chip you're usually can get a server-class board for half the price vs aftermarket ones. That's why using Intel Consumer HEDT boards for xeons is really a huge waste of money. Using xeons on these types of motherboards, you wouldn't even need nor use more than half of the design / reason for having HEDT boards.

Usually better overclocking boards are more stable and longer lasting. That's what I care about.

kithylin wrote:

EDIT: There's nothing on the Intel ARK, or cpu-world.com confirming any of the xeons for these platforms, even "E5-1650 v2" having an unlocked multiplier out of the box... I don't know what these people are doing to "Enable" that, custom modified bios on the boards? I'll have to research into it further.

It's one of those semi-common knowledge.

E5-16xx v1/v2/v3 unlocked mult
https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comment … 015&sh=27e107f8
http://www.overclock.net/t/1591590/xeon-hacki … -x99-beyond-x58
http://www.overclock.net/t/1496856/the-myster … -unlocked-xeons
https://forums.servethehome.com/index.php?thr … ltiplier.15983/

These Xeons are the same as LGA 2011 i7 OC wise. Multiplier really shouldn't depend on board used. I have E5-1650 V1 here, works easily up to 4.5 GHz on two X79 boards (MSI and Asus). The maximum (somewhat stable) is 4.9 GHz http://hwbot.org/submission/3396129_havli_3dm … 970_36801_marks It is possible to boot at 50x, but unstable.

I've used this CPU in my main rig for a year or so overclocked to 4.3 GHz and everything worked just fine. Of course for todays standards it is rather slow... and upgrading to 7700k boosted my fps nicely.

Got a a Asus Rampage ii Gene for peanuts with a i7-920 on it's last legs. Was a D0 stepping so my guess it got the crap OC'd out of it on the included stock HSF. $20 x5650 and a Hyper 212 took care of those issues, the performance increase over my FX-8350 is noticable

ODwilly wrote:

Got a a Asus Rampage ii Gene for peanuts with a i7-920 on it's last legs. Was a D0 stepping so my guess it got the crap OC'd out of it on the included stock HSF. $20 x5650 and a Hyper 212 took care of those issues, the performance increase over my FX-8350 is noticable

Curious, how did you conclude it was the CPU on its last legs and not the mobo at fault (short of buying another CPU)?

CPU could have ran fine at stock speeds but not with any OC, May have needed more volts to run at stock speeds, he may have been able to dump the clock multi and keep the QPI/fsb up.

HP EliteBook 840 G3 with i5 6300U, 14" 1080p matte screen, 8GB RAM. Intel gfx, 256GB M.2 SSD, HP warranty until April 2020. Cost $400 shipped!

Main PC upgrade : Basicly, a "cheap 8700K" upgrade 😀

Current CPU : i7 3820 😁
Price (new CPU) : ~240$*
*after currency exchange to USD

No new MB, and no DDR4 needed.

agent_x007 wrote:

...and no DDR4 needed.

Yeah, this was the reason, why I went for Skylake (and keep old DDR3L RAM modules) in my current main PC, when I was upgrading early this year. I do plan to go to Ryzen in the future, but not before RAM prices will drop at least a little bit.

agent_x007 wrote:

No new MB, and no DDR4 needed.

But also you won't get anywhere near 8700k performance. 😊

I had 6-core SB-E (IB-E is pretty much the same) and upgrading that to 7700k was like a night and day. 8700K would crush old 2011 even in non-AVX MT friendly applications.

note - "Spotreba PC" = power consumption

havli wrote:

But also you won't get anywhere near 8700k performance. 😊
I had 6-core SB-E (IB-E is pretty much the same) and upgrading that to 7700k was like a night and day. 8700K would crush old 2011 even in non-AVX MT friendly applications.

8700k would cost me 100% more, and that's without MB and DDR4.
Also, I don't want to sell my X79 platform, because I have other plans for it.

Bottom line for me :
If it isn't 50% faster in everything, I'm OK with "poor man's 8700k".

Not sure what settings they used for Crysis... but I score over 90FPS with FullHD/VeryHigh on GTX 780 Ti :

Power consumption ?
I don't care.
Still, Vcore=1,25V @ 4,5GHz together with 22nm must mean something here (vs. 3930k).

I agree - old gen used CPU is always much better price/performance. But of course this must be at a cost of lower absolute performance. And for me this is unacceptable - I want to make good use of my 144 Hz LCD and for this kind of fps, strong gaming CPU is a must have. 😈
I also have other plans for my old X79 platform... but buying a new PC doesn't mean I have to sell the old one. 😀

It is not "they used" 😁 these test are all made by me, it is this Crysis scene https://abload.de/img/crysis_2017_06_25_11_wasxc.png (but different settings of course - it was 1920x1080, not sure what MSAA level, but also slower GPU - GTX 1070 at the time).

Power consumption is important for me, simply because more power = more heat = more noise. And especially in summer, the extra heat is not very comfortable. And while IB-E will be definitely better than SB-E in this aspect, all HEDT platforms in general are much more power hungry than their 115x counterpart. Mainly the idle and light load consumption is what bothers me quite a lot - this is how my PC spends the most of the time... and I don't like using so much power when doing "nothing". 🤣

dexvx wrote:

ODwilly wrote:

Got a a Asus Rampage ii Gene for peanuts with a i7-920 on it's last legs. Was a D0 stepping so my guess it got the crap OC'd out of it on the included stock HSF. $20 x5650 and a Hyper 212 took care of those issues, the performance increase over my FX-8350 is noticable

Curious, how did you conclude it was the CPU on its last legs and not the mobo at fault (short of buying another CPU)?

Sorry just saw this today. Jade Falcon's response was right. Turbo Boost was actually unstable and the chip would only run properly at stock 2.6ghz with it disabled, before doing that Wolfenstein ii would only run on minimum settings with crazy frame drops and crash with a BSOD after about 15min of play time. Also the thermal paste on the cpu/heatsink was a rather burntish brown shade of grey and smelled bad when I first got it. Makes sense I got the combo for so cheap now.

Also holy crap is this Xeon a competent chip.

havli wrote:

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I agree - old gen used CPU is always much better price/performance. But of course this must be at a cost of lower absolute performance. And for me this is unacceptable - I want to make good use of my 144 Hz LCD and for this kind of fps, strong gaming CPU is a must have. 😈
I also have other plans for my old X79 platform... but buying a new PC doesn't mean I have to sell the old one. 😀

It is not "they used" 😁 these test are all made by me, it is this Crysis scene https://abload.de/img/crysis_2017_06_25_11_wasxc.png (but different settings of course - it was 1920x1080, not sure what MSAA level, but also slower GPU - GTX 1070 at the time).

Power consumption is important for me, simply because more power = more heat = more noise. And especially in summer, the extra heat is not very comfortable. And while IB-E will be definitely better than SB-E in this aspect, all HEDT platforms in general are much more power hungry than their 115x counterpart. Mainly the idle and light load consumption is what bothers me quite a lot - this is how my PC spends the most of the time... and I don't like using so much power when doing "nothing". 🤣

Hey, what hardware monitoring tool are you using? Is it Afterburner or a completely different utility?

Currently I also have a 7700k at 5ghz/3200c14/GTX1070 rig and I'm impressed by how speedy this setup is!

Yes, it is Afterburner + RTSS. But the lower block (memory, CPU, GPU power) is actually powered by hwinfo64. It can inject selected monitoring items to RTSS and display them in OSD.

This below... 3gb Ram, 32gb storage, NFC and a lot of other goodies included in a nice package.
I bought this, for the money I got for X-Mas. A nice upgrade from my Motorola G3 (1gb Ram, 8gb Storage)
It is not everyday, that I buy new electronics. A new phone every 2 to 3 year is fine with me.

Two more pieces for my GPU collection:

Radeon HD 3870

Radeon HD 5870

Only in Vogons a Radeon HD 3870 (or a 5870, in fact) will be classified as 'modern'.

Well, there is unwritten rule that everything "Core 2 era" and newer are too modern to be considered retro... so it goes here. 😀 But of course for todays standards even 5870 is far from modern HW.

It finally arrives! Cheapest LGA775 CPU with unlocked multiplier.

Srandista wrote:

It finally arrives! Cheapest LGA775 CPU with unlocked multiplier.

To be honest : I never seen the point of it (unless you want LN2 records etc.).