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First post, by notsofossil

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I hardly know anything about Amiga, much less the "modern" reincarnation that is AmigaOS4. I noticed that it had a new update as recent as last year. Here I wonder how such an obscure hardware and software platform continues to see support. Is it more popular in Europe? What can you do on AmigaOS4?

I'm not even sure why I'm making this thread, I don't think I've ever had an inclination to check out Amiga world. Maybe I'm just morbidly curious, maybe people on here know about cool unknown computers still getting updates today.

Actually, I can think of one reason. I realized that with the new Nintendo Switch replacing the Wii U, Nintendo will no longer be a customer of the PowerPC. I wondered what else even still uses PowerPC today, AmigaOS4 is one of the last holdouts. As a veteran of the last glory days of the PowerPC Macintosh, it makes me sad to see the PowerPC fade away.

In short, mainly I'm just wondering what you'd do with AmigaOS4. Is it just another Linux-like experience, good for programming and internet stuff but not much else?

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Reply 1 of 14, by snorg

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Good question.

I'd assume if PPC hardware is at least reasonably current, you could do most anything you could do on a modern Intel or AMD machine.

When did they stop making PPC Macs? Around 2004 or 2005? Basically forever ago in computer time but not that long ago compared to people that still use 20 and 30 year old machines.

I recently picked up an A500 off Craigslist since I was always intrigued by the systems but never owned one. By the time I found out what they were capable of, I was already too invested in the PC world in terms of software and hardware to make the switch.

They really are cool machines though. The audio and graphics capabilities in 1985 were beyond anything the PC could do.

Reply 2 of 14, by Jade Falcon

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Ppc is very much a niche market. It mostly used in embedded environments and industrial applications. Along with the amiga and some game consoles. PPC as far as I'm aware is beaten the core2 and higher end i7s

Reply 3 of 14, by vladstamate

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Jade Falcon wrote:

Ppc is very much a niche market. It mostly used in embedded environments and industrial applications. Along with the amiga and some game consoles. PPC as far as I'm aware is beaten the core2 and higher end i7s

PlayStation 3, XBox 360, Wii, Wii U.

Even though the first three are now a generation behind the sum of all 4 is still a very large number of currently used systems. In terms of game playing, I would go as far as saying that PPC has a very large market share, possibly larger than Intel/AMD in game consoles.

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Reply 4 of 14, by BloodyCactus

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The AmigaOS4 stuff is.. so niche inside a niche, most hobby amigans dont even have it or hardware capable of running it. Been a long time since PPC stuff was made, ACube made some SAM boards but they were expensive and underpowered, etc. There is MorphOS you can run on old MAC's to get the Amiga PPC os feeling.

what can you do with it? nothing really, its like having NT4 on SGI MIPS. it just kinda ... is there.

you can look for old Genesi PegasOS PPC or EFIKA stuff. I had an efika board, interesting but the system-on-chip had hardware issues so ide was borked and stuff. Kinda wish I didnt sell my efika board tho 😒

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Reply 6 of 14, by brostenen

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I have been digging around a bit. Found something about a piece of software called "Moana Loader".
There is a video avaliable on Youtube, with Os4 on Mac Mini.
And then there is this page: http://www.amigaos.net/content/72/supported-hardware

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Reply 7 of 14, by BloodyCactus

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Jade Falcon wrote:

Ppc cpus are still being developed. The x5000 has a newer ppc CPU made in like 2010

Sure, IBM Power 10 is coming out this year. You can still buy as400/z-series/rs6000 but none of which have anything to do with amiga/amigaos etc

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Reply 8 of 14, by Jade Falcon

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Sorry but the x1000 was useing reather new CPU for its age back In 2010. Amigas are up to date when new, there just hasn't been a new one since 2010 seeing that the resent x5000 is just a reversed x1000.

The problem is that anything newer would be a waste at this point, amiga OS is limited to 2gb of ram and is not smp compatible. So why go newer? They need to address the shortcoming within the OS before they can move forward.

That all aside I would like to have a modern ppc system. Even if it's a few years outdated. But the cost is way to high.

Reply 9 of 14, by Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman

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Just curious; can you play Amiga games as old as D.R.A.G.O.N Force or King's Quest on AmigaOS4? You know, games from 320x200 DOS era.

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Reply 10 of 14, by BloodyCactus

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morphos + amigaos have 'classic' emulation built in, you can mount old amiga disk images and such.

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Reply 11 of 14, by brostenen

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Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:

Just curious; can you play Amiga games as old as D.R.A.G.O.N Force or King's Quest on AmigaOS4? You know, games from 320x200 DOS era.

I recall having explained that you need the Amiga port of UAE, in order to play those games on AOS4.
This has to do, with the old games using the original hardware directly and not through a software layer.
It's a bit like games on Dos using stuff like GUS directly, and now you try to run that on top of Windows.

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Reply 13 of 14, by BloodyCactus

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Rhuwyn wrote:
BloodyCactus wrote:

morphos + amigaos have 'classic' emulation built in, you can mount old amiga disk images and such.

How accurate is said Emulation I am curious?

it depends, morphos reimplements the amiga 3.x api, it jits 68k code into ppc code, so good written stuff just works, stuff that hits the hardware is different. it uses uae for hardware hitting stuff.

os4 also uses uae for hardware stuff. Im less familiar with it than morphos tho. I dont have an os4 system. I did run morphos for a time (efika+mac g5)

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Reply 14 of 14, by Scali

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Rhuwyn wrote:
BloodyCactus wrote:

morphos + amigaos have 'classic' emulation built in, you can mount old amiga disk images and such.

How accurate is said Emulation I am curious?

No better than just running WinUAE really. There's nothing 'special' about PPC 'Amiga' hardware. In fact, MorphOS can even run on PPC-based Apple machines.
There's no special hardware to emulate 68k or any of the custom chips, it's all done in software.

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