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Reply 20 of 105, by brostenen

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Then how about just restoring the posts that were deleted, locking them and issuing a warning? Vogons do have a dual database backup system like facebook right? By that I am talking about what we see in the forum, is on the primaery database, and if you delete something, it is only from that primaery database. It is still in the secondaery database for easy restoring.

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Reply 21 of 105, by schmatzler

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brostenen wrote:

Then how about just restoring the posts that were deleted, locking them and issuing a warning? Vogons do have a dual database backup system like facebook right?

I believe the latest versions of phpBB keep an edit history, so if someone deletes all characters from a post, the post is still there in it's original form for the moderators to see. Correct me if I'm wrong. 🤣

Time-based edits are instated almost everywhere. I run a few forums myself and find them rather useful, because when a forum exists, there is also always drama. And drama results in people doing these kind of things.
But even without drama, sometimes someone just wants to leave and remove all of their history for some kind of reason. Which is - of course - often destroying the context of a thread and shouldn't be allowed.

On one of my forums I have made a modification to allow specific posts to be edited indefinitely by it's creator. It's just a checkbox the moderators can make on the post. Maybe that would be a compromise here.

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Reply 22 of 105, by brostenen

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schmatzler wrote:
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brostenen wrote:

Then how about just restoring the posts that were deleted, locking them and issuing a warning? Vogons do have a dual database backup system like facebook right?

I believe the latest versions of phpBB keep an edit history, so if someone deletes all characters from a post, the post is still there in it's original form for the moderators to see. Correct me if I'm wrong. 🤣

Time-based edits are instated almost everywhere. I run a few forums myself and find them rather useful, because when a forum exists, there is also always drama. And drama results in people doing these kind of things.
But even without drama, sometimes someone just wants to leave and remove all of their history for some kind of reason. Which is - of course - often destroying the context of a thread and shouldn't be allowed.

On one of my forums I have made a modification to allow specific posts to be edited indefinitely by it's creator. It's just a checkbox the moderators can make on the post. Maybe that would be a compromise here.

Shure... Time based just sucks for me. English is my second language, and because of the way my mind works, I often think 4 or 5 sentences ahead. So in order for me to actually make myself 100% clear on what I am trying to say, I need to edit a post, like a lot of times. Don't worry, it's nothing bad, only a diagnose of aspergers syndome in a mild degree. Not that I am a raging psychopath or something like that. 🤣

It's just... Sometimes I really miss a lot of important information in a post, and to not eighter have people read it as an insult, or not miss informations. Then I really are dependent on a edit button. I don't want to stand out as the forum clown. Been there too many times in real life, when people are getting tired of my long sentences or I just speak the living crap out of someone.

On the other side... Yeah... I see why time-based edit button can be usefull in some cases. I see ups and downs in every cases. If a time based edit button will be the way it returns, then a something like that soundblaster drivers tread, will be killed. Updates are allways in the first post in that tread. In that context, this forum will loose something valueable. And if you have to write the mod's every time, you are not really in charge of your own tread anymore.

Time based on the other hand, will introduce pre-emptive shields from people deleting old information. Actually it will give mod's more time to do something else. Though as I am now told, old information can be retrieved or reinstated. It all comes down to what the forum mod's are willing to do regarding work load.

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Reply 23 of 105, by clueless1

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@brostenen - I'm right with you. I'm a stickler for clear posts, and often I read back my posts and see how I could word it better. I often edit my posts multiple times just for my own perceived clarity. 😀 Then there are the benchmark result posts where you add results to your original post over time...

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Reply 24 of 105, by BeginnerGuy

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I'm still here. not leaving any day soon. I have a few very old accounts some from before vogons had its own domain.

also it looks like vogons is a registered trade mark of Disney, it sure would be sad if one told Disney about how this site is using their IP without permission Im not telling them, I have better things to do, but kithylin has.

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Reply 25 of 105, by Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman

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@brostenen - I'm right with you. I'm a stickler for clear posts, and often I read back my posts and see how I could word it better. I often edit my posts multiple times just for my own perceived clarity. 😀 Then there are the benchmark result posts where you add results to your original post over time...

The misbehavior of very few people has costed all of us an EDIT button. I'm too, a stickler for clear posts, especially since English isn't my mother's tongue.

I hope the moderators would ban kithylin soon, for starting all this shit on the first place.

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Reply 28 of 105, by silikone

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Oh, so that's why they were posted? To protest against the absence of editing?
I don't think upsetting those who are sensitive to graphic material is productive, though

Do not refrain from refusing to stop hindering yourself from the opposite of watching nothing other than that which is by no means porn.

Reply 29 of 105, by bjwil1991

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silikone wrote:

Oh, so that's why they were posted? To protest against the absence of editing?
I don't think upsetting those who are sensitive to graphic material is productive, though

I'm very squeamish when it comes to disturbing or disgusting photos or videos.

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Reply 30 of 105, by brostenen

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bjwil1991 wrote:
silikone wrote:

Oh, so that's why they were posted? To protest against the absence of editing?
I don't think upsetting those who are sensitive to graphic material is productive, though

I'm very squeamish when it comes to disturbing or disgusting photos or videos.

Some people are, yet I am not, so he can post all kind of wierdo stuff to me, as I really don't care. Yet in the open it is another thing. And I am with you there. Just not right to do so. So yeah... I am with you on this, despite the fact that I can take it.

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Reply 31 of 105, by Dominus

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I'm terribly jealous now. I wish I had the time for such pointless vendettas. Because that would mean I was able to finally watch the complete DS9...

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Reply 32 of 105, by Dominus

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Or game through all the ones supported by ScummVM.

What would you do with so much extra time?

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Reply 33 of 105, by Stiletto

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silikone wrote:

Oh, so that's why they were posted? To protest against the absence of editing?

Nah, he's still protesting the loss of the eBay thread and eventually being banned.

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Reply 34 of 105, by bjwil1991

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@Stiletto:

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Thanks for being an awesome person. I also would like to thank the other fellow mods and admins of this very site as well. Sorry to hear about the protest after getting the eBay thread removed. You guys have reasons why the thread had to get deleted (mainly because of solicitation or other means that's against the policy on this forum), especially that people want to start selling, buying, or trading on here, which I keep telling them that it's against the policy and direct them to other sites for buying, selling, and/or trading hardware or software.

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Reply 36 of 105, by Ozzuneoj

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Dominus wrote:

A strike rule system or a group for baddies won't work for the mentioned cases. There is almost no edit abuse in normal forum use. The abuse is almost always a one time big event. Before you can react with rules, the posts are gone.

Is there a way to utilize some kind of backup system for edited posts beyond a certain age? For example, when a post is more than a month old, any edits cause a backup copy of the original to be saved. Any subsequent edits will not incur additional backups (unless it has been more than a week).

Seems like a guaranteed way to fix things like this, if there's a way to make the forum do this. The additional resources required to store backups in the rare cases where old posts are modified would pale in comparison to all of the extra posts that need to be made when editing isn't allowed (or when edits have to be manually confirmed by moderators).

Also, why is the edit feature still not re-enabled? If the problem-users have already been banned, they can't edit their posts anymore can they?

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 37 of 105, by Ozzuneoj

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Okay, have to post again, since I can't edit. 🤣

I see now that we can't edit because people claim to have lots of accounts.

Maybe we can disable edits after one week, but build in a very simple "edit request" feature that allows threads to be edited for, say, 6 months (at which point a new request could be made).

A post-backup feature would be very useful too.

At the very least could we have the edit feature removed from all past posts up to today and only allowed on ones posted after today? That way it can't damage past threads.

Now for some blitting from the back buffer.

Reply 38 of 105, by bjwil1991

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Ozzuneoj wrote:
Okay, have to post again, since I can't edit. :lol: […]
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Okay, have to post again, since I can't edit. 🤣

I see now that we can't edit because people claim to have lots of accounts.

Maybe we can disable edits after one week, but build in a very simple "edit request" feature that allows threads to be edited for, say, 6 months (at which point a new request could be made).

A post-backup feature would be very useful too.

At the very least could we have the edit feature removed from all past posts up to today and only allowed on ones posted after today? That way it can't damage past threads.

I only have one account on here, and I've been a member on here since 2013. Vintage Computer Federation, Amibay, and to name a few have it set to only edit posts within a week or so. That feature would be nice, and prevent people from bumping the threads after the next day (say every 2 weeks minimum for bumping a thread).

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Reply 39 of 105, by cyclone3d

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bjwil1991 wrote:
Ozzuneoj wrote:
Okay, have to post again, since I can't edit. :lol: […]
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Okay, have to post again, since I can't edit. 🤣

I see now that we can't edit because people claim to have lots of accounts.

Maybe we can disable edits after one week, but build in a very simple "edit request" feature that allows threads to be edited for, say, 6 months (at which point a new request could be made).

A post-backup feature would be very useful too.

At the very least could we have the edit feature removed from all past posts up to today and only allowed on ones posted after today? That way it can't damage past threads.

I only have one account on here, and I've been a member on here since 2013. Vintage Computer Federation, Amibay, and to name a few have it set to only edit posts within a week or so. That feature would be nice, and prevent people from bumping the threads after the next day (say every 2 weeks minimum for bumping a thread).

Yeah, but then if somebody is working on an article/review post they may not be able to finish it.. .I have a few posts on here like that that I need to be able to go back and edit.

If normal editing doesn't get re-enabled, I will just stop posting stuff like that on here and only put it up on my web page once it is up and running.

I'm basically not really posting anything in normal threads until normal editing gets re-enabled. Just makes for more confusion for others when you can't go back and fix any mistakes or add more relevant information.

For the people that are claiming to have multiple accounts.. do they have a separate email for each account?

It should be fairly easy to find multiple accounts with the same email address and then kill all the accounts except the most recently used one... and then set the board to only allow one account per email address.

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