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Reply 60 of 73, by dirkmirk

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Yeah I saw that evergreen CPU I was outbid at $520 but didn't realistically expect to win it......

It came up on my search listings and when I saw the evergreen package with a cyrix CPU I thought "Could it be"? And it was on closer inspection.

Does anyone know much about the boxes of these evergreen CPUS?

That Cyrix one that sold had the black/purple box, theirs an AMD version for sale right now with the whitish and AMD logo on the front.

So does that mean, if you ever see a Evergreen box with the black/purple it has the cyrix 5x86-133?

I wonder if the buyer was a vogons member? I would love to see the back of the box and contents of the manuals.

Reply 61 of 73, by feipoa

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I am hoping that a user here won that auction. If so, I may know who. I would really like a proper scan of the manual. I've never seen the manual contents for the case of a Cyrix 5x86-133/4x chip, or even a Cyrix 5x86 for that matter. Unfortunately, 99% of the population with a scanner don't know how to use it properly. People think scanning all pages in colour or even greyscale are the way to go, but they won't print well. Covers and photos should be scanned in grey or colour, depending on the original content, but the bulk of the manual, which is likely just black text or black line graphics should be scanned in 1-bit mode with an appropriate bitmap threshold set. This way the manual will print out beautifully with any printer.

Concerning the Evergreen box, user Anonymous Coward and I did some detailed analysis on this a few years back but I don't recall the outcome. His memory is better than mine, perhaps send him a PM. What I do recall is that there was a switch over when Evergreen could no longer acquire the Cyrix 5x86-133 samples and went with AMD units instead. I think we determined that some AMD chips may be in the same box as the Cyrix during this transition period. Even if the has the black/purple background with the green letters, it may contain a Cyrix 5x86-100 or an unmarked CPU.

$520, yeah, way too low. Even if I still had cash in the bank, I wouldn't have bothered bidding on this. It truely was a unique find. I've never seen a properly boxed Cyrix 5x86-133/4x like this.

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Reply 62 of 73, by Horun

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Today I won a Bid for a working DFI G686 IPA socket 8 with P.Pro 200Mhz/256k and 32Mb ram. The seller is including a P.Pro 200Mhz/1Mb as it will not work proper on the board (boots with it but has issues properly detecting the cache as 1Mb) and has no other use for it. Cost: $67 plus $10 shipping. Same seller sold a Asus P3B-F r1.04 Motherboard, Pentium 3 -850MHz, 512MB Ram for $230 today.

Hate posting a reply and have to edit it because it made no sense 😁 First computer was an IBM 3270 workstation with CGA monitor. 🤣 Second computer a 286 12Mhz with real IDE drive ! After that came 386, 486, Pentium, P.Pro and everything after....

Reply 63 of 73, by feipoa

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I saw a Trio64 VLB sell for about $250 USD shipped. I figured in today's crazy COVID market it would have gone for more. Should be easy enough to find the 1 MB upgrade for this, so perhaps prices dropping! These cards are up there with the top two or three fastest and most compatible VLB graphic cards. I think these can even take a plug-in MPEG encoder upgrade, or maybe that was only for the Diamond S3 968 series?

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Reply 65 of 73, by dirkmirk

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I recently sold a 386 DX-40, 16meg ram, 340meg hard disk, CT1740 SB16, diamond Et4000AX tower for $370AUD delivered or about $250USD.

I'm starting to think I'll regret that sale as it's not really that expensive for a quality retro PC.

Especially when you see how much individual parts can go for

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/184422078463

Reply 66 of 73, by feipoa

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Looks like you practically gave that system away, case and all. Items are always more valuable parted out, but it costs time.

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Reply 67 of 73, by SSTV2

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dirkmirk wrote on 2020-11-07, 06:40:
I recently sold a 386 DX-40, 16meg ram, 340meg hard disk, CT1740 SB16, diamond Et4000AX tower for $370AUD delivered or about $25 […]
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I recently sold a 386 DX-40, 16meg ram, 340meg hard disk, CT1740 SB16, diamond Et4000AX tower for $370AUD delivered or about $250USD.

I'm starting to think I'll regret that sale as it's not really that expensive for a quality retro PC.

Especially when you see how much individual parts can go for

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/184422078463

Arrange a visit to your local recycler and you'll find at least 3 such complete or parted systems there for pennies. I had arranged one such visit not too long and got myself some neat hardware for 48Eu including taxes (Acer ALTOS 1100E MB, 386 MB with 82C300 chipset, 486 Micronics JX30G MB, Tseng ET4000AX etc...), which, probably by Ebay standards would be evaluated for 400Eu minimum /rolleyes.

Reply 68 of 73, by konc

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dirkmirk wrote on 2020-11-07, 06:40:

I'm starting to think I'll regret that sale as it's not really that expensive for a quality retro PC.

feipoa wrote on 2020-11-08, 00:32:

Looks like you practically gave that system away, case and all. Items are always more valuable parted out, but it costs time.

"Regret" and "practically gave that system away" when talking about $250 for a 386 which falls into the "popular" and not the "rare classic computer hardware" ? Wow, this hobby has reached new levels. It's borderline not a hobby anymore.

I agree about individual components prices though

Reply 69 of 73, by feipoa

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A bare 386/486 case that isn't damaged , not hideous, and that isn't a giant tower - what are those going for? $75? Shipping, $50? 386 motherboard w/shipping $100? Diamond branded ET4000 $100 shipped? Plus all the others (sound, RAM, CPU, CD-ROM, floppy, HDD) $200 sold individually at a discount?

Unfortunately, it does seem like this hobby has transitioned more into a collection for profit endeavour, which makes the product less of a hobby toy, but more of a commodity. There are still a few sellers on CPU-World and AMIbay with acceptable prices, but I doubt this will last for long. I have ceased all purchases for myself in this hobby, unless the price is very reasonable.

As long as people continue to pay ridiculous amounts, the trend will continue. The community as a whole would need to collectively come to some agreement on pricing and cease purchasing, but this is unlikely to happen. Demand sets the price , with greed and desire setting the demand. I wouldn't want to be getting into this hobby in the modern climate.

I do find watching the price shift really entertaining.

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Reply 70 of 73, by konc

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feipoa wrote on 2020-11-09, 01:49:
A bare 386/486 case that isn't damaged , not hideous, and that isn't a giant tower - what are those going for? $75? Shipping, $5 […]
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A bare 386/486 case that isn't damaged , not hideous, and that isn't a giant tower - what are those going for? $75? Shipping, $50? 386 motherboard w/shipping $100? Diamond branded ET4000 $100 shipped? Plus all the others (sound, RAM, CPU, CD-ROM, floppy, HDD) $200 sold individually at a discount?

Unfortunately, it does seem like this hobby has transitioned more into a collection for profit endeavour, which makes the product less of a hobby toy, but more of a commodity. There are still a few sellers on CPU-World and AMIbay with acceptable prices, but I doubt this will last for long. I have ceased all purchases for myself in this hobby, unless the price is very reasonable.

As long as people continue to pay ridiculous amounts, the trend will continue. The community as a whole would need to collectively come to some agreement on pricing and cease purchasing, but this is unlikely to happen. Demand sets the price , with greed and desire setting the demand. I wouldn't want to be getting into this hobby in the modern climate.

I do find watching the price shift really entertaining.

Every single bit of this is worded excellently, I couldn't have said it better

Reply 71 of 73, by dirkmirk

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To be fair I am happy with the selling price as I set the starting bid at $300 aud(approx $200USD).

SSTV2 mentioned that you can find these systems for pennies at recyclers?

In my experience it'll be 512kb trident, 2/4meg of ram, 120meg hard disk, no soundcard or 8x creative cd-rom....

That was a solid retro PC nothing to spend......

The reality is I needed to clear out space so not just about the money.

I literally saw a a Geforce FX5950 sell for nearly double, that makes me scratch my head......

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Nvidia-geforce-FX … =p2047675.l2557

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/XFX-GeForce-FX-59 … &frcectupt=true

Is their a difference between the 2 cards?

Reply 72 of 73, by cyclone3d

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Other than the Gigabyte branded one most likely being less common I don't think there should be any difference. Me sits here laughing at these prices when I picked up my FX 5950 Ultra for around $50 because the fans were dead. 1 Zalman cooler later and it works like new and card cools way better than stock.

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Reply 73 of 73, by feipoa

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Here's a listing I was watching. It is an IODATA branded IBM BL3 75 MHz upgrade adapter for Japanese PC-98 systems. I have two of these and one will run at 110 MHz, but on the boards tested, needs to have the L1 flush the cache with every I/O. This one sold for $461 USD. They are not worth that kind of money in my opinion.

I've seen a few this year on eBay already. I suspect buyers are discovering these don't work on their motherboards, and reselling them knowing very well that they likely won't work as the next buyer hopes. Thus listing's often come with vagueries like "untested", "as-is", "for PC098, may work on others", etc in order not to loose resale value. The seller of this listing says he was told that these are compatible with most IBM compatible systems, however I do not believe that to be true.

Finding a board which does not need to have this module flush the L1 cache on every I/O has proven problematic for me. Even at 110 MHz, if you are needing to flush the L1 cache every I/O, you are better off with an SXL2-50 that doesn't need to flush the cache every I/O.

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