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First post, by luckybob

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TL/DR at the bottom.

I had to let go tonight. Have you ever had a dog, and the vet gave you some bad news. You ask, "how long does he have?", and they invariably reply; "you'll know when". I've had this friend with me every night since 2008. Had several surgeries over the years to transition from one camp to the other. But for the longest time, have just had almost nightly fun until about 6 months ago. Was playing Civ6 and just out of nowhere my friend just shuts down, goes completely dark. I got the help required, but the prognosis was grim. It turns out, the way we were gaming together was destroying my friends memory and that night, it took a final toll. And honestly, it was all my fault.

Everything changed after that. After some TLC, we restarted gaming together again. But it wasn't the same. And slowly we gamed together less and less. Tonight, was the last straw. The memory problems from 6 months ago returned and this time were completely fatal. Literally died in my hands.

Not all is lost, my friend was an organ donor, and almost all the parts are going to be reused in some fashion. Honestly I'm doing my best to just remember all the good times we had together. We got together for Fallout 3 and I'll never forget how well it ran on my friend. At the time I built him, he was a lowly dual-cpu 604 xeon, and a Nvidia 260. those were good times. Games were still games, and not "pay to win monthly services". The last original piece died as I was dismembering his lifeless body.

In the beginning;
He started his life as a case for my dual P3 server. http://www.chieftec.eu/en/marketing/archive/b … wer-detail.html Solid as a tank, and just as ugly. The dual p3 was replaced by a Supermicro H8DA6+-F and a pair of 2439SE's as this case was the only one I owned that could even hold such a monster of a motherboard. A monster is was, had zero issue running quad 260's in SLI ( I had to borrow 3 from friends). It was the only board I ever bought "new". I got many years of service out of this board. Other parts came and went. The nvidia 260 was replaced by a ati 5870. A 2nd 5870, then a 7970, 2x 7970's (thank you bitcoin), before I finally had to upgrade the motherboard. The whole time I was running a raid for my steam library. A quartet of 640gb WD black drives I got back when I also got the SM board. These drives went out of warranty 5 years ago. And still work fine. It was the 4x SSD drives that failed, but I'll get to that later. I spent many many hours playing WoW and FO3.

The 'golden years'
This big upgrade was a major transition from the ati camp to intel. Amd is a total red-headed stepchild in the multi cpu world, at least until very recently. So the only hope was a cheap dual Intel board, that I found locally for a song. A Supermicro X8DAH+-F and a pair of X5687's. What an upgrade! I went from an H to an X! But if you look at the spec sheets of the boards, they are worlds apart. Everything possible went from the old machine into the new one and for a long time it was good. The 7970's were traded for a single R9 290x as I was tired of Xfire being a dick. (not to be confused with the Xfire client) Its hard to remember all the games I played, but it was always amazing. But upgrades became fewer and fewer as my job situation became less and less stable.

The end?
One of the last upgrades I preformed, was the upgrade to Ati RX 480. A competent card still! The plan was to eventually get it a sibling. Something I've done since the beginning of time, but it never happened. The end started suddenly. One of the 4x 60gb SSD drives I had in a stripe raid died (Mushhkin Chronos MKNSSDCR60GB). For those that aren't aware, putting 4x 600mb/s drives in a stripe array is a highly destructive thing. It prevents the drive from getting TRIM commands from the OS. I had thought this would not be an issue. And honestly it will be a practice that stops. Anyway, It dawned on me that day, as I was looking up the drive's warranty that it only had a 3 year warranty that was already 4 years over. These drives lasted a good 7 years of 24/7 uptime. They all have ~3TB in writes and honestly I can't even be mad. That is phenomenal performance. I updated the firmware and secure erased the drives in my garage pc and they all sprung back to life. But in my heart, I knew the end was near. It was a simple matter to restore the machine from a backup, but in the downtime, a blow was struck that put another nail in the coffin. As my friend's "vet", I know the time was neigh.

In the meantime, my garage pc upgraded from a dual 462, to a SM X7DCA-L and most recently, a X8DAL-i. I had bought it a pair of X5687's as well, and they arrived damaged. I swapped some X5530's into my main gaming system to test the new chips and I ended up leaving them in my garage pc( the good X5687's). I thought I would just return the chips and get new ones, but I was wrong. It ended up being several months of limping along on failing SSD's and under powered cpus. I couldn't play the new Civ6 expansion pack. Even playing Oxygen not Included (a unchallenging game for the computer) was a mess. And tonight it finally happened. One of those 4 SSD drives just failed completely. I haven't found which one, but it doesn't matter. This machine is tired. I got a little angry as I hadn't saved the game in a while and slammed my fist against the solid steel chassis that had housed my best friend. It decided to give up too. The door panel has a plastic handle/lock that just shattered. I sat there impotent, as it finally dawned on me. "its time".

I took apart the system tonight, just before I typed this all up. I was inspired to tell this story as I was disemboweling my friend. I have my tax return coming soon, so my friend will live again, but I'm looking at this pile of parts and I see almost nothing that will make it into the new system. I want to build a system powerful enough to run Cyberpunk 2077 at full power. Thats going to mean everything gets replaced. Honestly the only parts going to stay is the ZXR sound card and the 10gb nic. I might be able to re-use my 16gb ddr3 dimms, but if I skip to the later 3/4 generation of 2011, thats not going to work as those boards are ddr4. Even still, with a 1/2 socket 2011, I'll need to buy 2x 16gb sticks as the cpu's are quad channel. Right now, I'm torn between a X9DAE and the X10DAX. The latter would be a setup that lasted longer, but would cost 2x as much as I am willing to pay. its $300 vs $500 just for the motherboard. Honestly, I'm leaning towards the X9.

TL;DR
Reply "F" to pay respects for my old gaming rig with 10+ y/o parts. Any suggestions on a new chassis to house a E-ATX board, are welcome.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 1 of 26, by Errius

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It's watching them suffer that's the worst thing. Sometimes it's just kinder to take them behind the shed and bash them on the head.

Is this too much voodoo?

Reply 2 of 26, by DracoNihil

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I almost thought you were talking about a person you played games with somehow died from playing said games with...

EDIT: I want to make this idea a little clearer, I really don't understand the need to word a computer hardware failure issue in the tone of describing someone dying of neuro-degenerative diseases/disorders. This is coming from someone who actively suspects himself of having a neuro-degenerative disease...

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Reply 4 of 26, by luckybob

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DracoNihil wrote:

I almost thought you were talking about a person you played games with somehow died from playing said games with...

EDIT: I want to make this idea a little clearer, I really don't understand the need to word a computer hardware failure issue in the tone of describing someone dying of neuro-degenerative diseases/disorders. This is coming from someone who actively suspects himself of having a neuro-degenerative disease...

You're right, god forbid I try to be at least a bit entertaining. Its so hard to make sure 100% of the population is not offended by anything these days.

appiah4 wrote:

Time to Ryzen Up my friend.

Last I checked, Ryzen doesn't come in dual-cpu. ^.^ I mean I could go epyc, but the board is $650 (H11DSi) and each cpu (7251) starts at $500 a pop. And looking at benchmarks, it would be inferior to what I was planning on getting for 3x the price. 😜 Team red just can't catch a break in this market for the price I want to pay.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 6 of 26, by DracoNihil

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luckybob wrote:

You're right, god forbid I try to be at least a bit entertaining. Its so hard to make sure 100% of the population is not offended by anything these days.

That wasn't necessary at all. And I fail to see the "entertainment value" of misleading somebody.

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Reply 7 of 26, by sf78

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Not that I'm easily offended, but I disliked the dog reference. PC hardware is just junk that comes and goes, you throw it away and get something new and that's that. There's nothing to feel about it.

Reply 10 of 26, by cyclone3d

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sf78 wrote:

Not that I'm easily offended, but I disliked the dog reference. PC hardware is just junk that comes and goes, you throw it away and get something new and that's that. There's nothing to feel about it.

You sir, are apparently not a real vogoner or PC enthusiast for that matter.

How can you say something so cruel?

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Reply 11 of 26, by buckeye

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luckybob wrote:
DracoNihil wrote:

Its so hard to make sure 100% of the population is not offended by anything these days.

Truer words never spoken!

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Reply 12 of 26, by PC Hoarder Patrol

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A poignant & uplifting story for sure, but I think we all know that this particular dog has had its day 🤣 - respect, and of course 'apologoes in advance' for

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Reply 13 of 26, by liqmat

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sf78 wrote:

Not that I'm easily offended, but I disliked the dog reference. PC hardware is just junk that comes and goes, you throw it away and get something new and that's that. There's nothing to feel about it.

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Reply 15 of 26, by keropi

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I will admit it, at first I thought this was about a dog, then a person then I realized it was a computer.
Good one 😀 sorry for your loss luckybob

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Reply 16 of 26, by luckybob

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@PC Hoarder Patrol

Honestly I'm touched (in the head! *RIMSHOT*) that someone would take the time to immortalize my old case. Thank you.

As for the perpetually-'offended' snowflakes of this world, I was taught as a child; "if they anger you, the conquer you." As a 30-year veteran of the internet, these people barely even register on my radar.

I was going to buy the X9DAE motherboard for $300 right now on ebay, but after contacting the seller, he stated he didn't have any cpu socket protectors and I'd have to buy his near-worthless processors to get something in the socket to protect it.

PASS.

I'm still waiting on my tax return anyway.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 18 of 26, by luckybob

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SPBHM wrote:

raid 0 actually supports trim on newer chipsets, I think the ones from 2012 and later

if it's just a gaming machine why focus on dual socket?

yep, the newer chipsets do have trim pass through. The onboard Intel ICH10R does not. i aquired an Adaptec ASR-71605Q which does support trim passthrough, however, I never set it up properly. So it never happened.

dual sockets are just more fun.

I remember going to a lan party 2002 (ish) and someone had a dual 462 setup. I just fell in love and its been an obsession ever since. Ebay came along and the availability of decommissioned server parts for practically peanuts just fed this habit and I've been dual cpu EVERYTHING since I upgraded from Pentium 4.

It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems just with potatoes.

Reply 19 of 26, by appiah4

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luckybob wrote:
appiah4 wrote:

Time to Ryzen Up my friend.

Last I checked, Ryzen doesn't come in dual-cpu. ^.^ I mean I could go epyc, but the board is $650 (H11DSi) and each cpu (7251) starts at $500 a pop. And looking at benchmarks, it would be inferior to what I was planning on getting for 3x the price. 😜 Team red just can't catch a break in this market for the price I want to pay.

Wait for Rome I guess?

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