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First post, by keenmaster486

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The other day I had the opportunity to talk with a couple of oldbies in the tech industry. One of them was a data scientist for Osborne in the 80's, and witnessed the rise and fall of that company on the inside from start to finish. What he said was, he discovered by logging computer activity that the entire accounting department was waiting until the very end of every month to complete all the work for that month. Needless to say, this discovery screwed up the company's planned IPO. He said that that plus the improperly timed launch of the Osborne Executive, among other things, contributed to the company's swift demise.

Any other interesting stories of companies that died spectacularly and why? What business lessons could be learned from these companies?

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Reply 1 of 11, by vladstamate

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Even though PowerVR did not die (overall it actually prospered eventually) when the Kyro line died...well a piece of computer graphics history died with it. And I was there in the thick of it. The new chips that we were bringing up were already behind, performance wise, to the Geforce, and that was sad. Tile Based Rendering for the win!

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Reply 2 of 11, by JonathonWyble

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Well, of course these companies would fail eventually, it's the circle of economy life.

keenmaster486 wrote:

Any other interesting stories of companies that died spectacularly and why? What business lessons could be learned from these companies?

One lesson these companies may learn is getting better customers and such, things like that, if they decide to go back in business again 😀

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Reply 3 of 11, by Intel486dx33

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WebTV - Internet web service/browser on your TV.
Netscape - Internet portal , software
AOL - Internet Portal
Excite@home - cable modem internet service provider ( developer of cable modem internet service ).
Sun Microsystems - Backbone of the internet, UNIX Computer company.
SGI - UNIX computer company.
3DFX - graphics card developer.
Lotus - Software developer
IBM computers - consumer computer manufacture.
Veritas - UNIX software developer.
Sony Vaio computer company

Many companies could not compete with the giants like Apple and Microsoft
The combinations of Microsoft/Intel and Apple/Motorola

Microsoft Windows and Office programs. Owners of the desktop operating system.
Apple simplicity and loyal customer base.

Today Apple is the BIG power house in Silicon Valley.
Building it’s NEW spaceship campus on top of the old Hewlett-Packard campus.
Apple has taken over where HP left off.
HP, SGI, and Sun Microsystems use to be the BIG UNIX campus power house in Silicon Valley.
They dominated Silicon Valley and the Internet. ( 1980’s-1990’s )

Many computer manufactures have left manufacturing because of low cost computers.
And have instead entered the software development arena.

Today Silicon Valley is dominated by Apple, Facebook, Oracle and Amazon.

If you’re looking for a future in Silicon Valley I would study Apple computers and programming.
Oracle software and database and development.

They are actually fairly easy to learn and lots of videos on it. Earn BIG money !

Reply 4 of 11, by Vynix

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Toshiba's consumer computer division
Kalok (no wonder why! They made dreadfully unreliable hard drives)
Conner
Quantum's hard drive division
Fujitsu's hard drive division
IQuon (defunct Irish (?) OEM I've got one of their cases...)
LogAbax (subsidiary of Olivetti)
Priam (hard drives)
Soyo (motherboards)
Abit (motherboards and graphics cards)
ATI (merged with AMD)
Cyrix (CPUs)
SMT Goupil (French company, they were in legal trouble for frauding, they also made the SMT Goupil G4 which was one hell of an oddball, as it used a 186 CPU!!)
Bull S.A.S. (I don't think they went under, I belive they still exist but the future looked quite grim for that once-famous French company, famously renowned for their Micral 'puters after they bought out R2E) they still make HPC clusters

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Reply 5 of 11, by JonathonWyble

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Vynix wrote:

Toshiba's consumer computer division

Toshiba didn't actually shut down. They were about to shut down in 2017, but then they got their economy raised up again at the last minute. So yeah, Toshiba is still in business, but they probably don't make computer equipment anymore.

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Reply 6 of 11, by keenmaster486

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IBM should get back into the high-end business PC market and show up all of these newbies like Dell and HP.

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Reply 7 of 11, by Intel486dx33

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keenmaster486 wrote:

IBM should get back into the high-end business PC market and show up all of these newbies like Dell and HP.

Keyboards and mice are dead.

It’s all about personnel assistants ( Siri, Cortana, Alexa, Watson ).
And a touch display. Voice commands.
Just speak it and your personal assistant will put it up on the display.

Reply 8 of 11, by Shagittarius

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I don't always feel like talking to something, and touch displays are inaccurate for any real work. Mouse and Keyboard aren't going anywhere real soon. Maybe for people who only want to dictate emails and search the web but serious work will always require both.

Reply 9 of 11, by JonathonWyble

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keenmaster486 wrote:

IBM should get back into the high-end business PC market and show up all of these newbies like Dell and HP.

Oh, IBM is still in the ultimate computer business. However, these days their large focus is supercomputers, which are those giant server-like computers that can power an entire datacenter. Also, HP and Dell are not noobs, they've been around since the 1940s and 50s, and they already have such great products 😎

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Reply 10 of 11, by keenmaster486

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Intel486dx33 wrote:

Keyboards and mice are dead.

It’s all about personnel assistants ( Siri, Cortana, Alexa, Watson ).

At this point I am almost certain the only thing you ever do with your computers is browse the web.

Meanwhile, in Real Life Land, by the time that technology becomes actually useful (but it will never be useful for basic I/O, no matter how well it knows what you want), "personal assistants" will be long gone, their parasitical faddiness having moved on to human-like androids, which I envision becoming pretty darn good in the coming years or decades.

I'm going to make the assertion that computers with physical keyboards and mice will NEVER die. Not even if a Star Trek like world happens. TNG got it wrong imo, touch screens will be there obviously but physical interfaces are definitely never going away. Why? It has to do, not with the path of technology, but something in the human psyche. We want to touch buttons. Besides that, they will always be the most reliable way to interface with a computer. It's pretty easy for a software glitch to knock out your voice assistant or touch keyboard.

As long as the free market still exists, we will determine where our technology goes, not the other way around. Just because you can make something doesn't mean people will buy it! Let's hope market decisions continue to be made by consumers and don't start moving towards government direction, which would be like every idiot-filled out-of-touch corporate marketing department wrapped into one, except they would have actual power.

But that is all more or less off topic.

More on the "lessons that should be learnt" topic:

Apple had better watch out. They are going to move to touchscreen keyboards pretty soon, replacing their failed butterfly keyboards. I predict it will be the beginning of the end for them (in the laptop market that is) unless they change their course. A big segment of their market is developers. If Apple stops making laptops with physical keyboards, there will be a mass exodus of the developer community, and probably many others, from Apple to other systems. Some other company will likely capitalize on this failure. Mark my words!

But they will go through with it, because they aren't actually basing their decisions on common sense and reality. They're just doing things for their own sake. It seems as if the marketing department is running the whole show now, and the poor engineers are just along for the ride.

Imagine if refrigerator companies decided that making the thinnest fridge ever was a worthy goal. They started making thinner and thinner fridges until finally, someone comes out with a millimeter thick refrigerator. "The thinnest and lightest fridge ever!" they say. "In addition, because we are so smart and innovative, we removed the handles on the doors in favor of a voice assistant. Simply say "Hey Fridgey, open the left-hand door!" and Fridgey opens the door for you! We've also innovated even more by removing the power cord. It's a wirelessly powered fridge now, and you have to buy our special external wireless power unit which is sold separately. But wait - just when you thought we'd innovated as much as we could, we also made the fridge connect to WiFi, so it can do awesome things like show you pictures of food in other people's fridges!"

And THIS is how companies die. In their rabid quest for "innovation" they trade real innovation and new things for unthinking variation on existing designs, eventually mangling good designs so much that they no longer resemble the original genius. Then some other company comes along with a product that is actually something new, different, useful, and that people will actually buy, and takes the market by storm. It's happened many, many times.

TL;DR it's the company's fault when they die, but the consumers are the executioners.

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Reply 11 of 11, by Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman

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Intel486dx33 wrote:
Keyboards and mice are dead. […]
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keenmaster486 wrote:

IBM should get back into the high-end business PC market and show up all of these newbies like Dell and HP.

Keyboards and mice are dead.

It’s all about personnel assistants ( Siri, Cortana, Alexa, Watson ).
And a touch display. Voice commands.
Just speak it and your personal assistant will put it up on the display.

As long as people are still doing office things on their PC, keyboards and mice are still with us.

And I still couldn't imagine how people play games with personal assistant either.

Never thought this thread would be that long, but now, for something different.....
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