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Reply 620 of 718, by Bruninho

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cyclone3d wrote on 2020-05-07, 21:20:
Why? transparent avatars are not that uncommon. It would seem like as a designer that you would want to make your site as functi […]
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Why? transparent avatars are not that uncommon. It would seem like as a designer that you would want to make your site as functional as it was before an upgrade.

Doing otherwise is just asking for users to not be happy about the changes.

Generally, it is bad practice to change stuff that reduces functionality or makes it more difficult for the users to use the software you are writing or implementing for them.

If you have users complaining about changes in software you implement or have written yourself then, if possible, those changes should be switched back or made to be able to be configured by the end user.

But what do I know? I've only been in IT and writing scripts and programs for about 20 years.

Plot twist: I am a deaf web designer. I work with this since 2004. Although I agree that the mouse cursor hijacking is not ideal and I would never do a such thing, and then I'd for sure turn it off when the users started to complain about that. This case is a fair one, because mouse cursor hijacking is not a good practice in terms of standards (and accessibility).

By the other hand, I wouldn't be responsible for the avatars you want to use (hypothetically speaking here, if I were the forum designer). At the end of the day, it's your avatar, you should make it fit for the forum, not the forum be fit for your avatar, be it transparent or not. You just have to be creative with your own avatar as a way to identify you.

As a designer, Snover is in his right to defend his design how he likes it to be, as long it abides the good practices & web standards. But it's just my opinion, not a criticism at all. I like the forum, it has improved a lot in many areas, especially the web browsing experience on my iPhone.

schmatzler wrote on 2020-05-07, 22:49:
That doesn't automatically make you a good designer, though. […]
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cyclone3d wrote on 2020-05-07, 21:20:

I've only been in IT and writing scripts and programs for about 20 years.

That doesn't automatically make you a good designer, though.

Not having all transparent images magically work with the background of your website isn't reducing functionality - it's basic physics.

The old Vogons had a different shade of purple, yes. I'm pretty sure that didn't make all transparent GIFs appear great either.

Also, there is an additional grey design here that you can choose. Images with transparency might show up differently there, too. So a designer should be held accountable for all possible color and alpha combinations? This is ridiculous.

If a user cares that much about the optics of his avatar, he'll make sure it's displayed properly by editing it himself.

Exactly.

"Design isn't just what it looks like and feels like. Design is how it works."
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Reply 621 of 718, by cyclone3d

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Well.. if it is transparent, then the only way to make it look right on this forum without an actual fix or without using Stylus is to make it not transparent... And then if the background on the forum is changed and the user wants it to have the same background as the forum, they have to edit it again.

That is over-complicating things for the users and is bad practice.. plain and simple.

As for a ONE LINE CHANGE to the CSS that doesn't totally screw up transparent avatars is to change:

@media screen and (min-width: 0)
.post_user .avatar {
display: block;
filter: drop-shadow(-.1875rem .1875rem 0 #446);
}

To this:

@media screen and (min-width: 0)
.post_user .avatar {
display: block;
filter: drop-shadow(-.1875rem .1875rem 6px #446);
}

That still gives you a drop shadow, but it is blurred and doesn't screw up transparent avatars.

You can also override the setting on the forum by adding this to Stylus:

.post_user .avatar {
filter: drop-shadow(-.1875rem .1875rem 6px #446);
}

This is for the classic theme.

The third parameter is the blur amount. With the current setting on the forum, it doesn't blur at all which is what makes the hard lines and makes the transparent avatars look really bad.

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Reply 622 of 718, by Ozzuneoj

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Is there a way to see the list of smilies\emojis? I can never figure out how to trigger them and the little selection box that comes up some times only shows really obscure ones, like these...

🦺🥼 💃 🧮 🇶🇦 🌾 🐰 🏓 🧶 🈹 🇾🇪 🇶🇦 🈷️

And what's with all the Chinese symbols?

(At least I think that's Chinese)

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Reply 623 of 718, by Bruninho

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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2020-05-08, 02:59:
Is there a way to see the list of smilies\emojis? I can never figure out how to trigger them and the little selection box that c […]
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Is there a way to see the list of smilies\emojis? I can never figure out how to trigger them and the little selection box that comes up some times only shows really obscure ones, like these...

🦺🥼 💃 🧮 🇶🇦 🌾 🐰 🏓 🧶 🈹 🇾🇪 🇶🇦 🈷️

And what's with all the Chinese symbols?

(At least I think that's Chinese)

Are you using macOS or Windows?

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Reply 624 of 718, by Ozzuneoj

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Bruninho wrote on 2020-05-08, 03:05:
Ozzuneoj wrote on 2020-05-08, 02:59:
Is there a way to see the list of smilies\emojis? I can never figure out how to trigger them and the little selection box that c […]
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Is there a way to see the list of smilies\emojis? I can never figure out how to trigger them and the little selection box that comes up some times only shows really obscure ones, like these...

🦺🥼 💃 🧮 🇶🇦 🌾 🐰 🏓 🧶 🈹 🇾🇪 🇶🇦 🈷️

And what's with all the Chinese symbols?

(At least I think that's Chinese)

Are you using macOS or Windows?

Windows. Running Firefox 76.0.

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Reply 625 of 718, by austinham

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Ozzuneoj wrote on 2020-05-08, 03:20:
Bruninho wrote on 2020-05-08, 03:05:
Ozzuneoj wrote on 2020-05-08, 02:59:
Is there a way to see the list of smilies\emojis? I can never figure out how to trigger them and the little selection box that c […]
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Is there a way to see the list of smilies\emojis? I can never figure out how to trigger them and the little selection box that comes up some times only shows really obscure ones, like these...

🦺🥼 💃 🧮 🇶🇦 🌾 🐰 🏓 🧶 🈹 🇾🇪 🇶🇦 🈷️

And what's with all the Chinese symbols?

(At least I think that's Chinese)

Are you using macOS or Windows?

Windows. Running Firefox 76.0.

Same here.

Reply 626 of 718, by schmatzler

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Press the Windows key and the dot key (.) simultaneously. This will open up the emoji picker.

If it doesn't, you might need to enable it:
https://winaero.com/blog/enable-emoji-picker-windows-10/

Reply 627 of 718, by austinham

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schmatzler wrote on 2020-05-08, 23:47:

Press the Windows key and the dot key (.) simultaneously. This will open up the emoji picker.

If it doesn't, you might need to enable it:
https://winaero.com/blog/enable-emoji-picker-windows-10/

But what about us that don't have a windows key on our keyboards or are not running 10?

Reply 629 of 718, by schmatzler

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austinham wrote on 2020-05-13, 14:33:

But what about us that don't have a windows key on our keyboards or are not running 10?

- If you're still on Windows 7, you need to update anyway, because support has ended.
- If you're still on Windows 8/8.1 you really love pain and you can't be helped anyway.
- If your keyboard doesn't have a Windows key, you can use registry hacks or layout programs to remap a different key to it:
https://superuser.com/questions/333445/simula … an-old-keyboard

Reply 630 of 718, by Paralel

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Dominus wrote on 2020-05-13, 15:56:

I'm sure there are solutions, you just need to google them.

He does make an excellent point though about a site having certain inherent functionality that has become an expected standard of forum software.

Reply 631 of 718, by xjas

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If the site is "expected" to have an emoji picker, it's fair enough to "expect" the users to have a Windows key which has been standard since 1995. Come on!

AFAIK the emojis are all implimented as unicode anyway, so just search for "Unicode list of emojis and you can copy + paste them in. 🦨💩🤯🤦‍♂️💀

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Reply 632 of 718, by VileR

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xjas wrote on 2020-05-13, 19:53:

If the site is "expected" to have an emoji picker, it's fair enough to "expect" the users to have a Windows key which has been standard since 1995. Come on!

We also have lots of other keys, such as "[", "]", and all those wonderful alphanumerics, so we can type our own BBCode too. Hypothetically speaking, if the BBCode shortcut buttons were removed from the post editor, and someone dared to point out that they expect them to be there - simply because phpBB has worked that way for 20 years - I'm sure you guys would be at the ready with the unnecessary snark. Right?

I don't really care either way, mind you, but I too was completely unaware that Windows had an emoji picker. The only places where I typically need to use them have their own pickers, like the Whatsapp desktop client or whatever. Imagine that, when they just could've told their users to "google it". 🤯

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Reply 633 of 718, by austinham

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xjas wrote on 2020-05-13, 19:53:

If the site is "expected" to have an emoji picker, it's fair enough to "expect" the users to have a Windows key which has been standard since 1995. Come on!

I'm using a 75% keyboard. And how many folks here are using a model M keyboard here?

schmatzler wrote on 2020-05-13, 16:57:

- If you're still on Windows 7, you need to update anyway, because support has ended.

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xjas wrote on 2020-05-13, 19:53:

AFAIK the emojis are all implimented as unicode anyway, so just search for "Unicode list of emojis and you can copy + paste them in. 🦨💩🤯🤦‍♂️💀

Ops, posting the code in does not work. who would have known...

Reply 634 of 718, by Bruninho

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Why use emojis? I am retro.

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Reply 635 of 718, by xjas

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austinham wrote on 2020-05-13, 22:18:

U+1F644

xjas wrote on 2020-05-13, 19:53:

AFAIK the emojis are all implimented as unicode anyway, so just search for "Unicode list of emojis and you can copy + paste them in. 🦨💩🤯🤦‍♂️💀

Ops, posting the code in does not work. who would have known...

You don't paste "the code" in, you roll your mouse over the emoji you want (as in, the little graphic) and copy + paste that, which is what I did on the line above. They are literally part of the font. Why do you think I would make that post if it didn't work?

For the record I'm using a 1st-gen Kinesis Advantage Classic, which doesn't have "Windows" (/"Super") keys by default either (I've mapped it to right Ctrl, but mostly for Mac OS/X use.) There are tons of workarounds out there. (I'm also not posting on Windows 10, so I don't have the emoji picker either, but if I need one that can't simply be typed with a colon+bracket combo I do what I said above. No need to add unnecessary forum bloat for it.)

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Reply 636 of 718, by Bruninho

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I can simply do a 90's like emoji

:-)

and get away with an updated version. Simple as that!

😀

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Reply 637 of 718, by imi

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emoticons always carried a certain emotion in forums and the old pixely look fit well for vogons, it's also very convenient having just a few of them which keeps everything tidy and in the same theme.

the unicode emojis not only look like absolute garbage (ok that's my personal opinion :p) but they look different on every OS and device and just have no "soul" at all and there is just too many of them.

sure, tell me "you just don't like new things" if you want... but yes, I don't like it :p and I won't be using them, and I'm still looking for a way to turn them off in the browser altogether because they are just annoying on numerous other websites as well.

Reply 638 of 718, by appiah4

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Is there no signature image height limit? There should be, really.. Some signatures have absurdly large or tall images. Check out bloodem 's signature for example, it's jarring..

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Reply 639 of 718, by dr_st

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appiah4 wrote on 2020-05-15, 21:27:

Is there no signature image height limit? There should be, really.. Some signatures have absurdly large or tall images. Check out bloodem 's signature for example, it's jarring..

Is there any real reason to not disable signature display?

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