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Reply 20 of 26, by 386SX

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sliderider wrote on 2020-01-15, 11:40:

As soon as the original GeForce dropped, the writing was on the wall for many other card makers. The Voodoo 4/5 arriving late and without features and performance that nVidia cards had, was the end for 3DFX. ATi was the only one that upped their game enough to remain competitive, and they had a few stumbles along the way.

32-bit color wouldn't be a thing until then, so it was largely irrelevant when it first started to appear until devs would support it more. The performance hit to early cards that supported it was just too great. 3DFX would have still been a viable choice.

At that specific time both 32bit and T&L were not really a thing in the real world performances BUT they were solutions that showed how much the chips were going to the future with their advanced complexity and DirectX compatibility. If I think reading people back than still comparing sometimes the Radeon 8500 card with a Voodoo5 5500 card, that didn't make any sense considering the amount of differences.

Reply 21 of 26, by kolderman

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You know reviews at the time said the v3 really should have been called the banshee2, and only wasn't due to marketing.

The voodoo4 should have been the v3, and the rampage should have gone head to head with geforce.

But really, it was the business decision to shaft oems that killed them, but it is all ancient history now. I am just glad I can still play quake 2 on v2sli and hl1 on a 5500...keeping a bit of the 90s alive makes it bearable.

Reply 22 of 26, by 386SX

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kolderman wrote on 2020-01-18, 11:38:

You know reviews at the time said the v3 really should have been called the banshee2, and only wasn't due to marketing.

The voodoo4 should have been the v3, and the rampage should have gone head to head with geforce.

But really, it was the business decision to shaft oems that killed them, but it is all ancient history now. I am just glad I can still play quake 2 on v2sli and hl1 on a 5500...keeping a bit of the 90s alive makes it bearable.

Yeah the Voodoo 4 4500 clocked at 183Mhz would have been a great Voodoo3 that should have been released in just two version (come on the 3500 didn't make any sense imho) as the initial discussion seems were talking about (one @ 125Mhz and the other @183Mhz if I remember or something like that) and imho it could have easily been without the oem/retail confusing situation, but still they had to be a short term product while already been working on a project like the Rampage/whatever and instead we were still reading about multi-multi-chip solutions...
At the end the company had their great moments in history but probably didn't get the point of what was going to happens in terms of the speed things were changing in just few years. Let's just think to the console market too. The whole V3-V4-V5 story feels like the 32X-Saturn console situation back then.

Reply 23 of 26, by brostenen

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To be honest, and to say it out directly. I do not feel or see any real and major difference, between Voodoo3-3500 and TNT2-Ultra, when I am playing games on something in the neighbourhood of P3-500. Shure there are differences, yet they are really so small, that only a major fanboy of eighter of them, will say that his or hers choice is the absolute best and that small detail means everything. Yet if the machine is slower than that P3-500, then the Voodoo3 actually are a better choice. Faster, like P3-933/1000 and the TNT2 tend to shine. I actually remember that people that did not have the fastest top of the line machine back then, used to buy a V3, because the card was like the best option to make something not that fast, a bit faster and bring it up on par with the really expensive top of the line machines. So.... Basically. TNT2's and G400's are better suited in something like a 1,4 ghz Tualatin than a Voodoo3 is. And if the machine you have, are a P3-500 or K6-3-550, then the Voodoo3 are the better choice. However. If you have that Tualatin and use the TNT2, then V2-SLI is kind of great to have in the machine as well. You know... Just for the sake of having access to glide as well. Sure there are other choices, like Geforce and stuff, yet this tread are centered around TNT2 vs. Voodoo3.

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Reply 26 of 26, by brostenen

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SPBHM wrote on 2020-01-20, 21:43:

voodoo 3 had the edge on compatibility at the time, and it was faster here and there...
but the tnt2 was good,
what was bad was the m64.

That would be more in the realm of Voodoo1. By 1999, it did not matter if you used V3 or TNT2 and as you still would use TNT2 and V3 well into 2000, then you would also use DX7 for TNT2. Yes, M64 are bad.

kolderman wrote on 2020-01-20, 21:49:

It's always worth mentioning the 2D/DOS quality of voodoo3 is almost unsurpassed.

Except.... You get the same out of V2-SLI than you get from V3-3000, and pairing V2-SLI up with one of the following, you get a way better Dos setup for 2D gaming.

- S3-Trio64v+
- S3-Virge325
- Cirrus Logic CL5446

Yes. Sure. If you have something like K6-II-500, K6-III-550 or P3-500/600 or something like those, then the best choice is still V3-3500. If you are only comparing V3 to TNT2. You still need to talk about were the card is used, as the card alone, can never speak in terms of what is the best solution. Hence I gave V2-SLI as the example.

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