The switch to Intel was in 2005. in the 90ies they switched from Motorola to PowerPC.

The switch to ARM will be interesting and perhaps risky but they are planning ahead and with their own chip design and very powerfull chips and at the same less power consuming chips... who knows...

This will be very interesting to see, especially for their "high end" machines. If Apple were smart, they would just switch to the newer AMD platform.

I just don't see how they can get that high of performance with ARM, especially in regards to all the "artsy" stuff that is touted by all the Apple sheeple who claim that Apple is the best for graphics, photos, etc... when in fact they have never even tried a PC that costs a lot less and will easily blow the doors off of the Apple products they so cultishly cling to.

I heard about this change months ago and am not holding my breath that this will do anything good for Apple unless their only goal is to make everything more compact, performance be #$%#^#^.

Their ARM chips are very powerful and AMD is not an option. The idea is probably to be finally independent of a third party chipmaker like intel, amd, ibm

Dominus wrote on 2020-04-23, 18:17:

Their ARM chips are very powerful and AMD is not an option. The idea is probably to be finally independent of a third party chipmaker like intel, amd, ibm

That and unifying the hardware architecture between MacOS (desktop)and IOS (mobile) is probably an added perk .

The unifying seems to be more the way to pave the way for the new architecture. With catalyst they brought this closer

ARM's probably small enough to be bought up outright by them... 😒

leileilol wrote on 2020-04-23, 20:24:

ARM's probably small enough to be bought up outright by them... 😒

I hope not. That would bring up a whole lot of anti-trust type issues .
SoftBank Group currently owns ARM Holdings . I imagine Apple could make them an offer they could not resist .

Actually, that might be a good think in the long run . If Apple bought ARM Holdings and stopped licensing the IP to everyone else, there would be enormous pressure to find a replacement, preferably an open one, like RISC-V .

Steve Jobs quote
“Proprietary has hurt Apple”.
“Apple needs to be better and NOT so different. Being better is MORE important”.

Apple Slogans
“Better”
“Better starts here”.

Dominus wrote on 2020-04-23, 18:02:

The switch to Intel was in 2005. in the 90ies they switched from Motorola to PowerPC.

Yeah if you can't get that right the rest of your post makes no sense. Try reading about the history of Apple first.

I doubt what Apple does or doesn't do makes any difference to 99% of the people who use this forum. For those who persist with them have fun throwing your money away.

Finally got rid of the ancient ipods I used in my car and switched to playing my stored music on the SD card on my phone (Android).
I'd tried many times to do so in the past but the music players apps were always shitty. There are still a couple of gotchas but it's working fine.

DosFreak wrote on 2020-04-23, 21:43:

For those who persist with them have fun throwing your money away.

I have never paid any real money towards Apple, but as a married man it can't help.
You would also be surprised that kids grown up in the West, especially in Apple homeland, would be hypnotized of how great everything is with the fruit logo stamp.
So have fun as a family man! 😁

Dunno much about their motivation of getting a heart surgery to switch from Intel to ARM as there could be few to many reasons to count.

What I know is the days of "Hackintosh 1-2-3" is over.

brownk wrote on 2020-04-24, 00:17:

Dunno much about their motivation of getting a heart surgery to switch from Intel to ARM as there could be few to many reasons to count.

What I know is the days of "Hackintosh 1-2-3" is over.

Not to sound like a troll, but if you aren't overpaying for either underpowered and/or overheating and difficult to upgrade or repair hardware with a cute GUI, you are not getting the full (modern) Apple experience .

Well, this is like guys in tees and sandals ripping a guy for wearing an expensive suit. They think he's crazy. He thinks they're crazy. *shrug*

Errius wrote on 2020-04-24, 00:26:

Well, this is like guys in tees and sandals ripping a guy for wearing an expensive suit. They think he's crazy. He thinks they're crazy. *shrug*

Everyone's got an opinion and that's ok .

That being said, I don't actually hate MacOS. Hell, I've even considered getting a Mac Mini at some point, and the pre-dustbin Mac Pros were really something, but somewhere along the way things started going down hill, at least in terms of what I value in computer hardware .

Playing hackintosh might be fun for some, but I personally do not like the idea of constantly fighting with the upstream software provider in order to receive updates and risking to have the next one break something, forcing me to look for a hack or to re-install. This does not do it for me .

As for IOS, I am not a fan of hermetic walled gardens . I am not against centralized and curated software repositories, but being completely locked into one makes me feel claustrophobic .

To each his own .

darry wrote on 2020-04-24, 00:43:

Playing hackintosh might be fun for some, but I personally do not like the idea of constantly fighting with the upstream software provider in order to receive updates and risking to have the next one break something, forcing me to look for a hack or to re-install. This does not do it for me .

I get enough of that from Microsoft (Windows 10) without it being intentional (probably).

Before somebody jumped on that, I thought I'd do it myself . 😀

cyclone3d wrote on 2020-04-23, 18:05:

I just don't see how they can get that high of performance with ARM, especially in regards to all the "artsy" stuff that is touted by all the Apple sheeple who claim that Apple is the best for graphics, photos, etc... when in fact they have never even tried a PC that costs a lot less and will easily blow the doors off of the Apple products they so cultishly cling to.

Have you used a Mac day-in day-out for years and years (specifically for "artsy" stuff) until you've totally comfortable with every aspect of the system? And done the same alongside a Windows PC as well? If not, then you might not want to insult people the other way around, especially people like me who have used both for decades now (and for numerous different Fortune 100 companies, so not just as a hobby).

Neither of my computers are super new anymore or anything, far from it. Right now I use a pretty ancient 2013 Mac Pro at work (wasn't going to upgrade until the new one came out last year... then dragged my feet too long and Covid happened... ;( My at-home computer was a (super duper fast when I got it – again, not super new anymore) i7 7700K decked out. Both run the same Adobe Creative Cloud programs (along with just over 400 other international users I help run the Adobe Admin Console for in my company - both Mac and PC users - they can choose which they want, and with 2x included licenses per user, and some systems which are PC only, per user MANY run it on both).

For me, guess which one is nearly seamless, rarely if ever freezes on me, doesn't ever have weird lags for no reason, weird things happen randomly, freak out for no reason, asks me to update the OS like 5+ times a week always with numerous reboot cycles it feels like, programs needing to be reinstalled for no reason to get them to work again without issues, need to format from scratch about once a year to keep it running at the same speed it previously ran at, doesn't have cpu spikes when I'm not even doing anything intensive, doesn't hate the Fiery server on the $100K printer.... (and FYI this isn't just on Adobe programs, it's overall... and it's not just from me... I have a LOT of people I help manage tell me about mirror experiences)

The Windows machine, with a WAY faster and newer everything gives me all these issues very frequently. Not that the mac is perfect, but I literally get an exponential less amount of issues when I work on the Mac - it simply just runs (except for that friggin Adobe Bridge program... I hate that 🤣, it can NOT handle our 793gb image database). Which one will win when I'm doing a special blend or something in Photoshop, or rendering a video? The PC will for sure, and was definitely cheaper, but considering how I will waste no less than ten times more time on a near-daily basis just using the Windows computer normally, the Mac MORE than makes up for it overall. Like no contest whatsoever. Not even close. And time is money.

darry wrote on 2020-04-24, 00:23:

Not to sound like a troll, but if you aren't overpaying for either underpowered and/or overheating and difficult to upgrade or repair hardware with a cute GUI, you are not getting the full (modern) Apple experience .

I think I have a fair share of Apple experience from a Message Pad all the way up to few MBPs & iPhones. I'm also an avid user of OSX on non-Apple rigs since 10.4.x days. I get your point as a non-Apple user, but there're certain merits to have Apple products in your possession for sure.

All I'm saying is those days of running Apple SW on noname, Frankenstein-ish, hand-made PCs are apparently coming to an end. That's all.

Btw, when I switched back to linux, the first things that hit me were how fucking gorgeous and unbinding its console was, and how equally flimsy its GUI system still was. Oh, God...

Ahhh..... Like, this is the same old talk again.

Apple switching to PPC = People complaining.
Apple switching to x86 = People complaining.
Apple removing Floppy drive = people complaining.
Apple removing optical drive = people complaining.

Were have we seen this elsewere? Uhhh. I know.
Microsoft introducing Win95 and start button = People complaining.
Microsoft removing startbutton in Windows = People complaining.

If they move to ARM and stuff works, who freaking cares.
Especially Apple users/fanboys, as most of them only care for what is on the screen and what name it has.

Now quit complaining, unless it does not work.