Pro Market hasn't been happy for a while now. Trash can Mac caused the biggest complaint and fair enough, as a workstation they are really a poor inflexible design. Consumer product they are actually pretty good IMHO .
Die hard fans will continue I'm sure, Worked for a place where we gave CAD guys choice of Apple or HP workstations, 95% went with Mac. I'm sure "coolness factor" was just as important in that decision as functionality.

I think this is where Job's and Apple were the perfect partners. Both are really good at marketing making them appear to be something special, but under the surface there inst that much difference between them and everyone else.

I always chose mac over anything because as an UI/UX Designer, I love macOS, the looks and feel of the system, and how easy my workflow is there. I don’t have any of these with Windows 10. It’s just painful for me to use current generation Windows, I always preferred classic Windows over anything before XP/Vista came in. I could work on Ubuntu if Adobe had a linux version of CC.

No doubt it’s getting harder for some to stay when the hardware is being more of an issue than the software. But I weighed in the things after the WWDC and its still relevant for me to stay with a mac for work, so I will keep my intel mac going on for as long as it’s still supported before moving to an arm mac.

Luckily, my MBP made the cut for the Big Sur update, but I cannot say the same for the MBP that I use at work, Catalina is the last stop for it unless dosdude1 makes a patcher and my boss authorizes me to use it. I don’t think he will.

Bruninho wrote on 2020-06-29, 12:45:

I always chose mac over anything because as an UI/UX Designer, I love macOS, the looks and feel of the system, and how easy my workflow is there. I don’t have any of these with Windows 10. It’s just painful for me to use current generation Windows, I always preferred classic Windows over anything before XP/Vista came in. I could work on Ubuntu if Adobe had a linux version of CC.

I think that's the main dilemma also.
*nix is a fiddler's OS of choice, very flexible but stressing, too. Anytime you like to make full use of something you have to "make" it yourself.
Windows is messy and untrustworthy, but has big hardware/technical support.
macOS is relaxing, but the stereotypical user is wearing Hawaii shirt and sandals and has too little concerns in regards to underlying issues.

Edit: http://www.zyra.org.uk/os-air.htm

The DTK arrived today and the first baby steps were nice (except that the thunderbolt2 to thunderbolt3 adapter to use my thunderbolt display doesn't work but that was to be expected - it doesn't work with newer Macbooks, too).
I installed one app via the Appstore (Forklift) and that runs.
Next will be a development prefix for Exult and Dosbox.

Dominus wrote on 2020-06-29, 14:11:

The DTK arrived today and the first baby steps were nice (except that the thunderbolt2 to thunderbolt3 adapter to use my thunderbolt display doesn't work but that was to be expected - it doesn't work with newer Macbooks, too).
I installed one app via the Appstore (Forklift) and that runs.
Next will be a development prefix for Exult and Dosbox.

The DTK doesn't have any Thunderbolt ports, only USB-C Gen 3.2

Dominus wrote on 2020-06-29, 14:11:

The DTK arrived today and the first baby steps were nice (except that the thunderbolt2 to thunderbolt3 adapter to use my thunderbolt display doesn't work but that was to be expected - it doesn't work with newer Macbooks, too).
I installed one app via the Appstore (Forklift) and that runs.
Next will be a development prefix for Exult and Dosbox.

No Qemu? 😬 j/k 😜

Jo22 wrote on 2020-06-29, 13:23:

I think that's the main dilemma also. *nix is a fiddler's OS of choice, very flexible but stressing, too. Anytime you like to ma […]
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Bruninho wrote on 2020-06-29, 12:45:

I always chose mac over anything because as an UI/UX Designer, I love macOS, the looks and feel of the system, and how easy my workflow is there. I don’t have any of these with Windows 10. It’s just painful for me to use current generation Windows, I always preferred classic Windows over anything before XP/Vista came in. I could work on Ubuntu if Adobe had a linux version of CC.

I think that's the main dilemma also.
*nix is a fiddler's OS of choice, very flexible but stressing, too. Anytime you like to make full use of something you have to "make" it yourself.
Windows is messy and untrustworthy, but has big hardware/technical support.
macOS is relaxing, but the stereotypical user is wearing Hawaii shirt and sandals and has too little concerns in regards to underlying issues.

Edit: http://www.zyra.org.uk/os-air.htm

I had to laugh a bit for the airlines comparison. Nice one

Yeah, I figured that out, too 😉
Had to connect it via hdmi to my TV, set up remote admin and now am controlling it via remote desktop

Intel corp doesn’t use Apple computers anyways. They use IBM computers.

Why would Intel use IBM (PowerPC) computers instead of their own...

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-06-29, 17:35:

Intel corp doesn’t use Apple computers anyways. They use IBM computers.

IBM doesn't even make Intel-based servers anymore 😀 Why on Earth would Intel use 15-years old IBM computers?

ShovelKnight wrote on 2020-06-29, 19:04:

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-06-29, 17:35:

Intel corp doesn’t use Apple computers anyways. They use IBM computers.

IBM doesn't even make Intel-based servers anymore 😀 Why on Earth would Intel use 15-years old IBM computers?

Okay, well they use to use IBM computers but I am sure they must be using some sort of IBM standard computer today.

IBM standards are mostly gone.

Have you ever heard of “Win-tel”
I never heard the term “Apple-tel”

OMG... he's at it again...

Intel486dx33 wrote on 2020-06-29, 20:01:

Have you ever heard of “Win-tel”
I never heard the term “Apple-tel”

Apple-tel? That's what iphones use to communicate, right ?
😀

ok, first results with the dtk:
- SDL1.2x has a problem with coreaudio -> DOSBox has no audio
- DOSBox has a problem with the dynrec core for ARM -> no dynamic core -> slow

My iMac Pro gets 179FPS in dynamic core, and 28FPS in normal core.
My old 2012 Mac Mini get 88FPS in dynamic core, and 10FPS in normal core.
As I'm not allowed to post benchmarks, let's just say, the DTK is way closer to the iMac Pro in normal core than the old Mac Mini.

SDL2 does not build at all for me, there is some stuff seriously wrong for now.

Qemu is something for another time...

Dominus wrote on 2020-06-29, 20:49:

As I'm not allowed to post benchmarks, let's just say, the DTK is way closer to the iMac Pro in normal core than the old Mac Mini.

AppleInsider just published some GeekBench results for the DTK: https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/29/ha … -transition-kit

It's similar to Core i3-8100 inside the base model Mac mini, but they're running the Intel version of GeekBench (obviously). I'm pretty sure native performance is going to be far better.

yeah, I saw those. Most interesting in this regard is that this is the 2 years old (? correct me if I'm wrong, I picked that up somewhere) ipad ARM. You can bet that this is not the chip they will build in actual release machines.

Dominus wrote on 2020-06-29, 20:55:

yeah, I saw those. Most interesting in this regard is that this is the 2 years old (? correct me if I'm wrong, I picked that up somewhere) ipad ARM. You can bet that this is not the chip they will build in actual release machines.

Yes, it's a re-binned version of A12X that was released in 2018. It is basically the same but has one more GPU core enabled.

They undeclocked it and the benchmark was run with a x86 app through Rosetta 2. Not bad.