ZellSF wrote on 2020-10-12, 21:24:
I bolded your problem. When making hobby related purchases (and decorative items, and really a lot of things) need is not a fact […]
Bruninho wrote on 2020-10-12, 20:17:
Fair enough. Heres a question. Which features of these new cards can justify their expensive price, for games like first person […]
Fair enough. Heres a question. Which features of these new cards can justify their expensive price, for games like first person shooters, sim racing and e-sports games?
And another: Why the need to buy a gfx card with that much power, if currently there are no games that require its FULL POWER to use? I can’t think of any game that needs the amount of memory that the 3080 (10GB) and 3090 (24GB) provides.
Because I can see other less powerful but yet cheaper options from nvidia itself and AMD that can deliver good enough graphics x performance to justify the investment made to get the graphics you all want to pay for.
I think I have a good argument (and good advice too) when I say to buy exactly what you need for your game (or games), and for a fair price. Maybe in 3 or 5 years, when these games (thanks to their BAD developers) require such powerful Gfx cards, then you will need to buy a 3080 or 3090, but then maybe the prices will drop for them with newer generation being released. I just ask myself “do I need it? Is it good enough for my game? Is it a fair price to pay, from a cost/benefit point of view?”
I bolded your problem. When making hobby related purchases (and decorative items, and really a lot of things) need is not a factor. Want is.
Don't ask why people need expensive graphic cards, they don't need it any more than a hunter needs another expensive rifle, a fisherman needs another expensive fishing rod, a audiophile needs another expensive record player, etc.
I think the one who's being duped by the GPU industry's pricing here is you, who have been convinced that there's a magical line where toys are so affordable that you need them.
At any rate, I'm unsure what you're expecting to get out of this line of inquiry? Moving on from need to want, I want my games to look sharp, smooth and with minimal aliasing. Obviously a high end GPU helps with all those things.
About the “magical line”, I think you are confusing me with the other guy in this discussion.
Need is a factor, yes. Want or Will, not so much.
I too want my games to look good, but performance is a much more important aspect for me than graphics alone. Price, fun factor, performance, graphics, in this order, from most to less important aspects to consider. I don’t even care about the resolution, be it 4K or not. Games are meant to be fun regardless of it.
I don’t play newest FIFA versions because “that player looks almost real”, I want the game to be fun and playable, so I don’t bother about the graphics if the game is unplayable. Newer FIFAs are unplayable, require new expensive hardware, and EA Sports ha been abusing with its price practices selling the same stuff every year, just with newer graphics, newer stadiums or team shirts and rosters. And their in-app purchase practices are ridiculous. I knew it was coming from them years ago when they started doing DLCs for games. But that is another subject and unrelated to the thread.
So, heres a better example: Imagine I want to buy the newest F1 2020 game. I want the same graphics they have been advertising on their social media accounts. But that requires newer hardware, more expensive graphics cards. And you have to take into account that USD 1,00 = 5,45 brazilian reais (as of last week).
Then I ask myself: do I need that graphics card so much to buy and play F1 2020? Is that card worth the price NVIDIA is asking me to pay for it? My answer for both was NO.
Then I look for other games with the same genre and stuff that I can play on my current hardware: F1 2010, rFactor 1, Grand Prix 4 (2002). Actually, Grand Prix 4 with a 2020 F1 season mod made by the GP4 fan community can match similar graphics to F1 2020 game, get the fun factor, run on my hardware at more than 100 fps, and the best fact is that I already own that game. F1 2020 is being sold with an expensive price too, and has DLCs to pay for.
So my choice was much easier, the only disadvantage is that I had to quit doing sim racing competitions online tournaments, which actually are run with iRacing and rFactor 2 or F1 2019/2020.
I could play iRacing with my current pc hardware, too. But wouldnt get +100 fps. rFactor 1 does get more than that, but rFactor 2 doesn’t even go beyond 50fps on the same hardware; the only difference between the two games is a new texture, and DX version (9 vs 11).
Basically, I made my choice based on what I WANT (emphasis on WANT) to play. I want to play F1 2020, but I don’t think the game is worth the investment required; and Codemasters release a new version every year, with new features or in app paid features, that keep raising the bar for hardware requirements. I do that decision thinking on what to buy, with all different kind of games I play, not just sim racing games.
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