Reply 20 of 106, by Shreddoc
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mockingbird wrote on 2021-01-12, 22:59:I feel I should qualify what I said with something substantive in terms of explaining my dissatisfaction with AMD on the whole. […]
Shreddoc wrote on 2021-01-12, 22:04:I've had many and varied awesome systems for decades, based upon processors from both manufacturers. The merit of a given PC comes back to the skill and choices of the system builder. Not some silly "brand loyalty" thing.
I feel I should qualify what I said with something substantive in terms of explaining my dissatisfaction with AMD on the whole.
One example that comes up off the top of my head is back in 2018 when I ventured to reap the 'reward' of AMD's better performance. These were two simple desk/word processing machines I was selling. My main consideration for going with the Ryzen 2200G at the time was the incredible advantage it had at its price point to anything Intel had to offer.
But then after setting up the systems and going through the installation, I ended up again losing respect for AMD because of this:
"No AHCI driver exists for VEN_1022 DEV_43B7"
The most amazing part was the denial and apathy of the AMD team.
In retrospect, someone claimed you can force install their old AHCI driver on to it, but if that is indeed the case, all AMD had to do to save face was add 1 line to the AHCI .inf and get it WHQL'ed in the next release. I am 99% certain this problem still exists.
It's the little things, you see. Very nice silicon, but what is the value of good silicon if it's amateur hour in other departments.
Then there's Wendell who seems to release a new video about how "impressed" he is with the new generation of AMD hardware with regard to virtualization performance... Then you continue to watch the video and see that he's complaining at the end of lack of support for X on AMD's part, where he's forced to concede that it works 'perfect' with Intel. This is an ongoing saga now for several years on his channel. You mean to tell me that after all these years, AMD still doesn't have virtualization down pat to a fine art?
Next, try getting AMD part numbers which are OEM only... If I want a 35W TDP Intel part, I go to the large distributors and place a backorder for one piece. I might have to waith a month or two until it arrives, but I can get it.
Try obtaining a "GE" part from AMD. Nope, sorry, they only sell them to the privileged few OEMs.
I'll use AMD in the future, I have to. They have better products at better prices. But AMD isn't real competition to Intel. Intel allows AMD to survive but not thrive. One day Intel will open up it's enormous maw and swallow them up, and they'll disappear without a trace, and we'll be better off for it.
Do you understand the nature of "anecdotal evidence", and how it is not a universal decree of anything whatsoever?
If I applied your reasoning to everything I've seen major technical issues with over the decades, I would now Forever Hate Intel, Microsoft, Linux, Sun, IBM, AMD, Seagate, Western Digital, Samsung, and basically every single brand and company that exists.
I just would have thought that most veterans would be experienced enough by now to be over simple brand loyalty.
Google "Intel Controversies" or similar, and settle down for hours and hours of reading about the endless swathes of mistakes and poor decisions made by Intel since forever. Likewise with AMD.
They're not so different.
Let us also keep in mind that most of the world's anecdotal problems contain a fair slice of PEBKAC.
