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First post, by RJDog

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I am building a Windows 98SE machine that is pretty well period correct (some parts from as late as 2002) with the intention that I play period correct early Windows 3D games.

My question is... better to leave it as vanilla Windows 98 SE, or Windows 98 SE + SP3 + KernelEx + Revolutions + 982ME? To me, the latter makes it pretty much a modern operating system with some clear advantages but... period correctnes....

I think in this case it is more of a personal preference than anything, so what are your reasons and opinions on the subject? I think I'm leaning towards vanilla...

Reply 1 of 4, by Jorpho

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If it runs your games, isn't that all that matters? If you want a "modern operating system", you should probably use something else.

I would be inclined to install at least SP3 because it probably fixes more potential problems than it causes and includes at least a few useful things that would otherwise have to be tracked down separately.

Reply 2 of 4, by Jo22

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I agree to what Jorpho said. But in case you really can't decide, just setup a dual-boot.
Especially with flash media, this is easy to do - some readers mount like a drive bay and some like a slot.
And even with real hard drives, there are some swapp-able drive bays available (beware of heat problems).
- Including all of the period-correct retro noise that comes with using these tiny fans! ;)

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In what to one race is no time at all, another race can rise and fall..." - The Minstrel

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Reply 3 of 4, by RJDog

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Jorpho wrote:

I would be inclined to install at least SP3 because it probably fixes more potential problems than it causes and includes at least a few useful things that would otherwise have to be tracked down separately.

I've heard this quite a bit and seems to be the consensus of other posts I've read on this forum. That's probably the route I'll go with this build.... components of SP3 but not other more "modernizing" patches such as KernelEx, 98SE2ME, etc...

Maybe I just don't fully understand the reasoning behind them... why not just use XP rather than updating 98 with Me/2k/XP components? 98 is pretty well relegated to us retro builders, no?

Reply 4 of 4, by Jolaes76

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This dilemma is far more difficult than it initially seems to be.
"vanilla" installations are pretty much vaporized after deploying one or two software suites or games which replace core system components with their own, many do this without dependecy walking and making backups of dll files and registry. So in a win9x environment you should make full backups a lot more often than on XP.
That said, updating certain core utilities with WinMe versions is generally more useful than harmful. Like a better scandisk, fdisk etc.
Updating USB components with the latest stack and drivers is also beneficial.
"Updated" web-related components are almost useless today, being hopelessly deprecated - you can forget about stable multi-threaded browsing even with Opera and Firefox, not to mention safety.
KernelEx again can make a few NT5 programs run perfectly but can prevent other software launch, even when disabled.
A utility that can properly uninstall and rollback DirectX can be also handy at times.

(Finally, all this talk is meaningless when one has a very modest computer like a 486 or early P1, which can barely cope with Win95 original edition or 98lite)

"Ita in vita ut in lusu alae pessima iactura arte corrigenda est."