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First post, by Lekker

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Can anyone recomment a 90s gaming pc build? I plan to build one in time and I need help to conclude on the best possible hardware combination.

- I want to play games from 1988 το 2000 with both 2D and 3D graphics, and from both floppy disc and cd source. (most of the games I can think of are from 1994-2000 however)
- I want to focus mostly on 90s hardware.
- Operating system should be Win95 or Win98? Personally I think Win95 because is right in the middle of the decade and probably supports late 80s up to late 90s games.
- I think that motherboard and CPU pick are the most difficult choise because they'll have to support older and later game and software implementations of that decade. I feel that Pentium 3 is a balanced cpu for such a system but how many hz are enough? Was AMD viable that period? Also what about motherboard?
- On GPU I've concluded on Nvidia's TNT 1 or 2 which is capable for both 2D and 3D graphics. Correct me if I'm mistaken. Alternative gpu: 3dfx's Voodoo 3(?)
- Outer hardware including monitor keyboard, speakers and mouse should be beige. Monitor will probably be a CRT or early LCD model. These are minor problems though.
- Sound card: probably one from Sound Blaster. But which?
- RAM?
- Storage device? I feel that in this case I could go with something more modern, an SSD i.e, up to 100gb. Is it viable?
- Optical disc device? Floppy disc device?
- Ideally the total cost of the build should be up to 150-200 EUR.[/list]

What I base my research on:

This article that prompted me at last to slowly begin with the project:
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/quest-for-re … ng-1,28918.html

Phil's interesting youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj9IJ2QvygoBJKSOnUgXIRA
Give it a look if you want.

And MAINLY your suggestions.

I'll gladly read your recommendations, I'm quite inexperienced in PC building especially with retro hardware and software so I'm all ears! What I total suck in, is the BIOS, o/s and driver setup though. But one step at a time.

Last edited by Lekker on 2017-08-15, 00:45. Edited 2 times in total.

Reply 1 of 3, by jheronimus

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(most of the games I can think of are from 1994-2000 however)

This is a more viable period to cover with a single build (as opposed to 1988-2000). Games prior to that tend to have issues with faster CPUs. Here are some of the examples.

Operating system should be Win95 or Win98? Personally I think Win95 because is right in the middle of the decade and probably supports late 80s up to late 90s games.

To my knowledge, there isn't a lot of difference in games support between the two — both use MS-DOS 7.1 for "real DOS mode". Windows 95 can be a bit lighter and faster (especially if you don't use the later versions with IE4/Active Desktop), but it's not that important for a Pentium 3. Windows 98SE tends to have better hardware support, but there's probably nothing you can't get to work under Win95. So in the end, I'd probably go with Win98SE

- I think that motherboard and CPU pick are the most difficult choise because they'll have to support older and later game and software implementations of that decade. I feel that Pentium 3 is a balanced cpu for such a system but how many hz are enough? Was AMD viable that period? Also what about motherboard?

For DOS games you mostly need support for ISA cards, so you can't really go higher than a Pentium 3. You should also stick to 440BX motherboards. Asus P3B-F and Abit BE-6 (II) are probably some of the 440BX-based motherboards a lot of people like.

- On GPU I've concluded on Nvidia's TNT 1 or 2 which is capable for both 2D and 3D graphics. Correct me if I'm mistaken. Alternative gpu: 3dfx's Voodoo 3(?)

Voodoo 3 is nice if you want support for Glide API in games (important for games released in mid-90s prior to DirectX dominance). With Nvidia there is probably no reason to limit yourself with TNT2, you can easily go for a GF2/GF3.

- Sound card: probably one from Sound Blaster. But which?

DOS games will need an ISA card. A SoundBlaster 16/Vibra/AWE32/AWE64 or one of its many clones. Yamaha-based cards are pretty popular here on Vogons, such as Audician 32. That card will also work with later Windows games, but you might want to opt for a dual-card setup for better sound quality. A second card would probably be something like SoundBlaster Live or something based on Aureal Vortex 2 (like MX300).

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Reply 2 of 3, by JaKSLaP

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HI Welcome to Vogons;

I have build a setup for similar to what you want. I went with a Pentium 4 build, intel 865 chipset, soundblsater live, and Geforce FX series cards.

Ideally you want to go with a P3 setup, but they are getting hard to find especially were i am at. I have got alot of my games setup using Windows 98SE, i will highly suggest 98 over 95. Most Dos games work for me, and i always have the option to boot into MSDOS if the game doesnt work within windows which is nice.

FX Series Video cards are in my opinion the last officially supported Nvidia cards in Windows98, i have had alot of issues with 6000 Series Nvidia cards even though there are official drivers for them.

Ram; You should keep your ram between 256MB - 512MB(MAX) anything over 512 your gonna run into issues. I have got 1gb running with patches. but to avoid the headache go with 256 or 512

Sound; Iam using a Sound Blaster Live and its working great, it supports SB16 emulation for older dos games which is Awesome. I know some people recommend Aureal Cards.

Reply 3 of 3, by llamaboy

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Hrmmm...
I'd say stick with Windows 98SE because I can't really think of any compatibility you are losing over Windows 95. Both can be restarted in DOS mode, and, if all else fails, you can set up a DOS partition.
Mobo and CPU, I've been looking at a lot of different sockets lately, after restoring my Slot 1 workstation. I've found this (starting from newest):
--Socket A (aka 462) (AMD) seems to be where it's at, but you will pay, as the higher-end boards still demand a very high price. The older AMD CPUs from the late 90's to Early 2000's are solid, fun, cheap overclockers. The boards generally have a lot of PCI slots and many have legacy ISA, and they are easy to find in uATX if you want something little.
--Socket 478 (Intel) is a very similar ecosystem to Socket A, with a lot of the same amenities, but more stuff out there. Probably less expensive.
--Slots: AMD has Slot A, while Intel has Slot 1. For a true period piece, these are going to be it. You're going to see more ISA support and less integrated audio/graphics. Also a cheaper option than the above.
--Socket 7: Now we're getting back there, as socket 7 came about in 1995. This is where most of your AMD K5's and middle-aged Intel Pentium processors are slotted in, among others. Lots of interesting choices here, albeit slower than any of the above. Socket 7 processors are dime-a-dozen, so you might as well grab some extras from different brands just to play with. I wouldn't really recommend it for what you want to do; not powerful enough for later software.
--Socket 2-6: This is if you want to get really specific. For what you're doing, going with any of these will just create undue parts-chasing. I think my first computer used Socket 5.
--Socket 1: For 486's. Really not appropriate for what you are doing. BUT, if you enjoy this project, I do recommend reading about the 486 and building one for a pure DOS/Windows 3.1 machine.

Arrgh I forgot about socket 370; kinda the socket version of slot 1. Don't know much about it because I don't really care much about it, but it is worth looking into. Maybe relevant to your interests.

That said, I'd say Slot A would be kinda ideal. The AMD processors used are fully unlocked, so you can overclock and play around with them all you want, and they are cheap. Boards are pretty cheap, too.
When you've picked your socket or slot, it's all about what you can find. Try to get something that doesn't use a Via chipset. They aren't bad, but they aren't the best.

GPU: I would go ahead and get something more powerful. A Radeon 7xxx or higher will do everything, as will a GeForce2, and you'll only be paying maybe $10-$15 USD for it. 3DFX cards are collectors items and generally overpriced. The TNT cards are great, but I don't think they will get you those absolute ultra settings on the way later games. Sound card is going to have more impact on configuring for compatibility.

Sound card: an authentic Sound Blaster 16 ISA card is your best bet. Works with everything. For what you're doing, it would be silly not to grab one of these. Second Choice would be a SB AWE. Avoid Gravis Ultrasound; just going to be an asspain. If you want something better for your Windows games, a Monster Sound MX300 is revered for audio quality, but I've always had setup issues (I think I have a bad card). Old Audigy cards are cheap, too. You can have more than one in there.

RAM: RAM for old computers is cheaper than dirt. I bought a 256MB stick of PC100 last week for $4 off eBay. Just get two of those.

Storage: Noooooo SSD. Windows 98 has no idea what to do with it, and an OS needs to take different steps to manage it. Also, SSDs are all going to be SATA, and you need an IDE drive. Small IDE drives are still bouncing around, just try to get something that hasn't been used. Some people use a compact flash card, but I can't really see that lasting very long.

Drives: Optical drives are cheap. As long as it is IDE, you're good to go. I gut them from off-use Pentium 4-era business computers. Floppy drives...make sure it works? That's about it. 5 1/4" floppy might be kinda hard to find. Only thing I can really add is if you want to play DVD movies, you might need an add-in card.

If you buy smart, you'll hit waaaay under budget. Especially if you hit up e-waste recycling places. You might get lucky and get all the parts for a whole system for not much money.

Main: Ryzen 1700X / Gigabyte uATX board w/ PCI slot / XFX HD480 8GB / 16GB Corsair Dominator 3000 / Asus Essence ST
1999 Vectra: Pentium II 400Mhz / Integrated Matrox G100 4MB / Diablotek Radeon 7500 64MB PCI / 363MB PC100 / Aztech AZT2320 ISA