Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

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Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Stalwart777 » 2017-11-04 @ 20:28

Hey guys. I assembled a Win98 rig with a Voodoo3 3000 to play some old games. Everything went great until I tried to fire up Unreal and Unreal Tournament. In both games I can't make it past the splash screen. After the splash screen (and sound which I can hear) Unreal stays at the splash screen until I end task. Unreal Tournament goes full screen, which stays blank, plays the splash sound, and then stays there until I hard reset the system. When I launch them in windowed safe mode, Unreal launches, but Unreal Tournament opens a frozen white window.

Here is what I tried to do:
Patching both games to latest versions. 226 for unreal and 436 for UT.
Reinstalling and re-patching both games.
Unreal used to give the following error before patching: ("Assertion failed: CacheItems!=NULL"). After patching the error vanished.
Uninstalling and Reinstalling Voodoo3 3000 drivers. V1.07.00 (4.12.01.0666)
Testing the voodoo3 through dxdiag. All tests passed
Trying other 3dfx capable games. Quake II and NFS3 Hot Pursuit ran well.

Nothing helped.

System Specs:
Win98 SE (4.10, Build 2222) A
D815EEA mobo, using onboard audio
Voodoo3 3000 AGP. Driver V1.07.00 (4.12.01.0666)
P3 800mhz
256mb RAM
40gb HDD
DirectX 7.0 (4.07.00.0700)
17"LCD Flatron running in 8000x600 @75hz.

I am out of ideas of what to try next :depressed: . Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.

EDIT: Installed DirectX 8.0a. No change

EDIT 2: Installed monitor drivers over the generic ones. Edited the refresh rate in the INI files to match the monitors. Unreal launched once in Glide. Unable to replicate whatever I did there :confused: :angry:

EDIT 3: The only way to launch unreal seems to be by uninstalling it, re-installing, patching to 226, and manually editing the ini for necessary settings. That lets me launch the game once. If I exit it, the only way launch it again is to repeat the process. *bangs head on table*
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby CkRtech » 2017-11-05 @ 01:14

Stalwart777 wrote:EDIT: Installed DirectX 8.0a. No change

I just built a Pentium III Voodoo 3 machine. First game installed was Unreal Tournament 99. After installing several other games, I wanted to watch the intro to UT. When I ran it, it went back to software mode. This was despite setting it up to use Glide. No matter what I did to UT, it wouldn't latch on to glide.

1: I reinstalled Directx (I want to say I used DX7)
2: I reinstalled the video drivers

Game ran fine after that.

Win98 SE (4.10, Build 2222) A
D815EEA mobo

Did you install chipset drivers prior to starting your VGA drivers?
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Fusion » 2017-11-06 @ 03:00

I had this problem before as well. I did fix it but I can't remember how. :(
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Jade Falcon » 2017-11-06 @ 17:19

Fusion wrote:I had this problem before as well. I did fix it but I can't remember how. :(

Same here, I reacll it being a driver problem or missing glide files.
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Stalwart777 » 2017-11-08 @ 00:46

CkRtech wrote:Did you install chipset drivers prior to starting your VGA drivers?

Yes. I make a point to install those first not to mess anything up.

CkRtech wrote:1: I reinstalled Directx (I want to say I used DX7)
2: I reinstalled the video drivers

No luck. Messed around inside the ut/system folder by editing various files and using glide dll's from the 3dfx driver installer. Still nothing.

Guess next step is to start fresh by reinstalling Windows 98. Then try other drivers. I also have 2x voodoo2 on the way in case all else fails and its really something wrong with the voodoo3 itself.
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Fusion » 2017-11-08 @ 01:38

Wait, what version of UT did you install? GoG or retail? I THINK that might make a difference.
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Stalwart777 » 2017-11-08 @ 12:37

Fusion wrote:Wait, what version of UT did you install? GoG or retail? I THINK that might make a difference.


Retail. Straight from its original box :blush:
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Stalwart777 » 2017-11-08 @ 14:45

Did the following:
1. Pulled and inspected the voodoo3.
2. Formatted and Re-installed Win98 SE
3. Installed Chipset, Audio, and Video drivers in that order.
4. Installed UT99, UT then installed DX7
5. Re-Installed video drivers just in case.
6. Patched to 436.

Problem remains. UT launches full screen, plays splash sound, screen remains black, HDD LED stops blinking, system locks up. :dead:

Also apparently a few days ago I woke up in the middle of the night and told my wife to unplug the videocard because she and our son were on the same card :lol:
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Jade Falcon » 2017-11-08 @ 16:20

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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Stalwart777 » 2017-11-14 @ 19:49

Jade Falcon wrote:Try Amigamerlin drivers
http://www.3dfxzone.it/files?object=3dfx&objid=377


Didn't help.

Tried Swapping monitors. Then threw in an S3 Savage4 Pro with 2x voodoo2 in SLI instead of a voodoo3. Same problem. In 3dfx, D3D, and in S3 Metal rendering modes......

I am very confused. Could it be the motherboard? Win98 install disk that I'm using? UT99 install disk? On board audio crashing? I'm running out of hardware to blame here :neutral:
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Jade Falcon » 2017-11-15 @ 01:29

No its a software problem. I had it before on a few systems and found it was a driver problem on one and missing glide files on another.
Also I can't recall if it has one but check the games error log if it has one.

Its been a wile since I have a 9x box with a voodoo. If I had one in front of me I could fix your problem in a heartbeat.
The missing glide files should be in your system or windir folders.
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby Stalwart777 » 2017-11-16 @ 03:16

Jade Falcon wrote:No its a software problem.


It appears so. I needed to test a pair of recently acquired voodoo2's, and everything went smooth. The voodoo3 (and its drivers) just don't seem to like me. I'll finish tinkering with it at a later date as the issue seems to be isolated to the voodoo3. I'll make sure to post here when i figure out what I keep breaking.

Thank you very much for your help guys :)
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby lost77 » 2018-11-11 @ 00:18

Just letting you guys know, I had the same problem and solved it with a multi-texture patch I had on a CD.

It's designed for Voodoo 2 but the original voodoo also need it unless you use really old drivers.

You can find it here: https://www.quaddicted.com/files/idgames2/planetquake/planetunreal/official/Unreal_V2_MTex.ZIP
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby leileilol » 2018-11-11 @ 04:56

V2 doesn't really 'need' a patch from my experience (all versions from 200 to 226f will work), though when I used to have Unreal startup issues on a fresh Windows install, my solution was just reinstalling Unreal.
V3 however needs at least v222 (V3 cards shipped with Unreal v222 which wasn't available as a patch)
by the way, DOSBox is not for running Windows 9x
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby brostenen » 2018-11-11 @ 18:23

Dont know anything about unreal. In fact, I think it sucks, the same with half life. I guess it has to do with the type of game and not the game it self. As I really love the gfx quality of those games....

That said. I have had these same issues with UT99, when I installed it and used it in 2000/01. And the only way that I was able to make it work, if I did not want/had to edit the registry in Win98, was to completely blank the harddrive and install Win98 from scratch.
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Re: Unreal and UT won't launch in Glide

Postby LeFlash » 2019-4-05 @ 23:17

Old thread, but for completeness: I had issues with UT99. Instead of starting, it just flickered. No switching to V2.

I just had to delete glide2x.dll from UT\system-Folder. The game will then use the one from your driver installation.
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