X58 + Yamaha7x4/AureaV1/2 Sound-pure Dos7.1- compatibility list(+i865/VIA) +research+ultimate configs, WIP- gurus needed

Getting old software/games running on older hardware.

Re: X58 + Yamaha7x4/AureaV1/2 Sound-pure Dos7.1- compatibility list(+i865/VIA) +research+ultimate configs, WIP- gurus needed

Postby ruthan » 2019-4-22 @ 21:59

I did some research, some people is reporting, that on X58 is NVME booting fine, even without that Clover /Duet workaround bootloaders.. There is only PCI-E gen 2 so max theoreticall speed is 2000 MB/s in reality people claims 1600 MB/s but its still big boost in comparision with on board Sata 3Gb/s, so it make more sense than Sata 6 Gb/s, if you already sacrifice one PCI-E slot.
Maybe, maybe we will even able to boot XP from NVME with it, Dietmar is working on X79 NVME XP boot and its very close to X58.

Otherwise X79. look more and more promising, i will test it, i already ordered some old machine with it, there are lots speed / features improvement in comparision with X58, manual components diagram looks same as for X58, so X79 sound card can work.. Only problem is only 1 PCI slot, dont know if there are PCI slots extenders for more slots and there would work for sound card, if yes it would be very nice..
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Re: X58 + Yamaha7x4/AureaV1/2 Sound-pure Dos7.1- compatibility list(+i865/VIA) +research+ultimate configs, WIP- gurus needed

Postby ruthan » 2019-4-22 @ 22:20

I had to solve last major problem and it is make space for 2 dual slots gpus, because my Win98/DOS Radeon X800 is dual slot too, if not want some noisy one - 1 slot and how slots are occupied.. Second solution would be some 1 slot heating with some block above card or after card, but so far.. I didnt find any with right holes dimmensions - 53x23.


So i have to used 4x open PCI orange slot for some card and there is problem, designers not count with such setup so there is MB cooler in the way, i would have to cut piece of it, or replace it.. I dunno if there is only cover, or some heatpipe under it.. I would have to remove MB and do the job. It would need small cut, i cut also that PCI-E gpu holding lock which is longer that slot, or long cut if i will not want what mutilate the card.
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There is also almost same Gigabyte MB (GA-EX58-UD4), with different smaller heatink, which doesnt have such problem..
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Other problem is some metal cuttter, i bought Dremel 3000 tool for it, but that included metal cutting disc is very bad, i tried to cut some videocard output and it the middle blade was done, i would need other some batter blade - recommendation welcomed.. Or i would have use some metal hand saw..

I already have some Geforce 960 for testing, Geforce 980 TI on the way (too noisy for final solution but for testing fine), i should have target 970, but i ordered some used 1070, to have some 970 spared from other rig, but i send money to some trickster.. and now waiting if police will solve it or.

Otherwise 1 slot water cooling block for 1 or 2 cards, is still solution but i want would rather to bypass it at least for now.
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Re: X58 + Yamaha7x4/AureaV1/2 Sound-pure Dos7.1- compatibility list(+i865/VIA) +research+ultimate configs, WIP- gurus needed

Postby ruthan » 2019-6-09 @ 21:31

I got GA-EX58-UD4P as backup - i didnt monitor temperatures on OS level, overclock etc.. from touchpach even without 3D, just hour of using in OS, heatsinks are quite hot, so it make for this platform use these big heatsink which some MBs have.
Im still preparing for that cutting heatsink with my main board, but i worst case scenarion i will use heatinks from this MB on main one.

I bough it with some Engineering some Core i7, dunno if it is because is Core 7 or ES, but with it is possible setup Memory speed regardless of BLCK.. what is nice, but its not any victory because this Core i7 960 is much slower that my present Xeon..
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Re: X58 + Yamaha7x4/AureaV1/2 Sound-pure Dos7.1- compatibility list(+i865/VIA) +research+ultimate configs, WIP- gurus needed

Postby ruthan » 2019-9-28 @ 22:41

Vmware has finally better SB FM+FX supports, so i added collumn for its testing to my sheet. It is good has to have more alternative to Dosbox and PCem.. Its not primary gaming oriented, but lots of things are working for "proper" programs compatibility, networking is working better than with real dos Machines, you dont need additional HW, space etc..
https://docs.zoho.com/sheet/published.d ... 2a9209e034

Details are here:
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Postby ruthan » 2019-9-30 @ 09:39

After long time my demos a shareware etc.. games package for Dos sound testing is online in Vogons Library:
http://www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=1572

~2/3 of games (110) from my testing sheet is inside, list of demos is in:
https://docs.zoho.com/sheet/published.d ... 2a9209e034 // first list columns B+C
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Re: X58 + Yamaha7x4/AureaV1/2 Sound-pure Dos7.1- compatibility list(+i865/VIA) +research+ultimate configs, WIP- gurus needed

Postby DosFreak » 2019-9-30 @ 19:20

Don't know if this is useful for your spreadsheet or not
viewtopic.php?f=46&t=69414

I'm investigating sound cards right now currently only have the Audigy 2 and the Realtek in this system.

Looks like Windows 10 1903 kills the Audigy 2 or at least makes it very flakey. Took me forever to get it working and then it stopped working again. Supposedly using the Audigy RX drivers gets it working.....yes...until it doesn't....
So I'm using the Realtek in Windows 10 and the Audigy for everything else, not much of a loss there.
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Re: X58 + Yamaha7x4/AureaV1/2 Sound-pure Dos7.1- compatibility list(+i865/VIA) +research+ultimate configs, WIP- gurus needed

Postby ruthan » 2019-9-30 @ 21:54

Its different thing, but its shame that Creative doesnt support it properly.. Otherwise what are advantages of Audigy 2 in comparision with Realtek? Im not sound guy so in general Realtek HD sound is good enough for me. Does on that system Audigy working with Win98, or its too old OS for that HW?
Im suing Yamaha 7x4 / Aureal V1/V2 for DOS /Win9x + Realtek HD for everything else.. in theory Audigy V2 could be better for Win9x i you have multiple PCI slots and dont mind somehow handle 3 sound cards switching.. I tested Audigies in my sheet and for Dos its worse than Yamahas and Aureals..
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Postby LSS10999 » 2019-10-03 @ 02:51

ruthan wrote:Its different thing, but its shame that Creative doesnt support it properly.. Otherwise what are advantages of Audigy 2 in comparision with Realtek? Im not sound guy so in general Realtek HD sound is good enough for me. Does on that system Audigy working with Win98, or its too old OS for that HW?
Im suing Yamaha 7x4 / Aureal V1/V2 for DOS /Win9x + Realtek HD for everything else.. in theory Audigy V2 could be better for Win9x i you have multiple PCI slots and dont mind somehow handle 3 sound cards switching.. I tested Audigies in my sheet and for Dos its worse than Yamahas and Aureals..


Audigy drivers have issues with 64-bit addressing and caused issues with systems having more than 4GB RAM a long time ago, namely with microphones. That was when Windows Vista/7 was mainstream.

I'm not sure what changes could have caused Windows 1903 to break the drivers even further as I never used 1903 nor ever used any Windows 10 versions with an Audigy. But Windows 10 is getting increasingly complicated that I sincerely don't want to use it unless there are something that really required it (namely online games and some other programs that don't work well with Wine).
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Re: X58 + Yamaha7x4/AureaV1/2 Sound-pure Dos7.1- compatibility list(+i865/VIA) +research+ultimate configs, WIP- gurus needed

Postby dr_st » 2019-10-03 @ 07:54

I dunno if it's an issue of Win10 getting increasingly complicated or just that one can't expect legacy hardware and drivers be supported forever. My motto has always been putting contemporary OS and hardware together. When the software-hardware gap is too big, problems start piling up.
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Postby ruthan » 2019-10-03 @ 10:54

Fastest way to "fix" some legacy support for developer, is just say that users not need it.. so they removed in some version of Windows 10 whole agp support and i dunno what next.

Windows 10 make only if really need - some fancy Windows-Linux support scripting, DX 12 (but there some discussions about backport it finally to DX7, WoW did something like that already),Freesynch (G-Synch is has Win7 support), UWP only Microsoft game like Gears of War 4+5, Forza, Control etc.. there is not much of them, but you cant play them in Win7 + work around is get Xbox one.
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