Retro OSes for retro computers

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Re: Retro OSes for retro computers

Postby ArtiomWin » 2019-6-11 @ 12:36

Cyberdyne wrote:No not commercial UNIX, just Linux distros, because there are so many, and they are basically the same, and you can even make a minimal distro today, it does not really scream a certain period of time. It is allmost the same, if you call FreeDOS a retro operating system. But i dislike pure FreeDOS for different reasons, i like that DOS is clean, on the point and, minimalistic, but Feedos is like Linux, it starts up and tells me too mutch. Long licensing texts and so on. Thank god that it does not ask me to log in. Some time ago i made a FreeDOS distro just for my personal use, that mimics a classic DOS feel. But i abandoned that and still use industry standard MS-DOS 6.22 and 7.10. And tinker with DR-DOS.

I see your point. FreeDOS is touted as system that compatible with modern hardware and yet able to run legacy DOS software, however it's mostly unnecessary these days since PCem and its forks are matured enough you can install there most of legacy x86 systems. Few years ago you couldn't imagine these emulators would emulate MicroChannel architecture!
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Re: Retro OSes for retro computers

Postby appiah4 » 2019-6-11 @ 12:44

I don't share this sentiment, the modern Linux kernel has shed a lot of compatibility with older hardware from itself, and 90s Linux is nothing like modern Linux.
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1995:P5I430VX|P133|32M|S3T64+/MX2|V1|CT3980/32M
1998:S1573S|K6-2/400|64M|V2/SLI|CT4500/32M
2001:GA-6OXT|P3-1200|384M|GF4Ti4200|MX300
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Re: Retro OSes for retro computers

Postby ArtiomWin » 2019-6-11 @ 20:41

appiah4 wrote:I don't share this sentiment, the modern Linux kernel has shed a lot of compatibility with older hardware from itself, and 90s Linux is nothing like modern Linux.

Maybe I just didn't get your opinion. Such difference may take place also between IBM OS/2 and its descendants like eComStation or ArcaOS.
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Re: Retro OSes for retro computers

Postby appiah4 » 2019-6-11 @ 21:08

ArtiomWin wrote:
appiah4 wrote:I don't share this sentiment, the modern Linux kernel has shed a lot of compatibility with older hardware from itself, and 90s Linux is nothing like modern Linux.

Maybe I just didn't get your opinion. Such difference may take place also between IBM OS/2 and its descendants like eComStation or ArcaOS.


Indeed.. Does that mean we shouldn't discuss OS/2?
1989:A500|+512K|ACA500+|C1084S
1992:HIPPO-VL+|U5SX-33|8M|GD5428|CT2290|S2
1995:P5I430VX|P133|32M|S3T64+/MX2|V1|CT3980/32M
1998:S1573S|K6-2/400|64M|V2/SLI|CT4500/32M
2001:GA-6OXT|P3-1200|384M|GF4Ti4200|MX300
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Re: Retro OSes for retro computers

Postby Caluser2000 » 2019-6-12 @ 02:39

appiah4 wrote:Nice.. Should we maybe have a seperate 'Best Linux Distros for Retro PCs' thread or just discuss that here?

Not a bad idea. Most modern stuff is way too bloated. Tried a more modern linux distro on my P1 166 with S3 Virge/DX video card, 32megs ram and it complained about not enough ram. Xandros2 from around 2002 ran just fine. Early distros of the 90s never had auto config routines like today, later ones did start doing that ie coral linux. Also each one has a different routines. Ones that work fine on my P1 testing set up so far are Xandros 2, Turbo Linux 6, earlier Red Hat. earlier Mandrake 6/7 and SuSE 7.2. I could even set up apt to some more archives to get more software. Of course you can compile but that takes ages. KDE 3 on Xandros is more bloated than Window Maker or Gnome 1.2. I use to run Red Hat 7.3 on a P200mmx system with 256megs of ram, 2meg vdeo card and that run fine in X once I got rid of all the Gnome stuff and Nautilus crap. I'd personally say a 2.2*-2.4* kernals are ideal for these systems for nostalgic an practical reasons. Most distros these days are for 686 or greater even 32 bit support is dropping on a few. So no they are not the same. Like NT 3.* and Windows 10 are not the same.

Wrt FreeDos you can get a floppy version. I use DCUs MSDos 7.1 that can be installed just off the first disk giving you an even leaner version compared to MS Dos 5 and 6* yet with fat32 support.

Of course we should consider the likes of older OS/2 and *nix variants.
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Re: Retro OSes for retro computers

Postby Caluser2000 » 2019-6-12 @ 04:58

ArtiomWin wrote:Just installed SCO Open Desktop to emulator. This system runs smoothly on Pentium 66 and 8 megs RAM. But installation is a very long process (more than 40 floppies!).
Here's how it look likes:
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Thats pretty cool. Of course REAL hardware is the way to go :)
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Re: Retro OSes for retro computers

Postby appiah4 » 2019-6-12 @ 07:34

Caluser2000 wrote:
appiah4 wrote:Nice.. Should we maybe have a seperate 'Best Linux Distros for Retro PCs' thread or just discuss that here?

Not a bad idea. Most modern stuff is way too bloated. Tried a more modern linux distro on my P1 166 with S3 Virge/DX video card, 32megs ram and it complained about not enough ram. Xandros2 from around 2002 ran just fine. Early distros of the 90s never had auto config routines like today, later ones did start doing that ie coral linux. Also each one has a different routines. Ones that work fine on my P1 testing set up so far are Xandros 2, Turbo Linux 6, earlier Red Hat. earlier Mandrake 6/7 and SuSE 7.2. I could even set up apt to some more archives to get more software. Of course you can compile but that takes ages. KDE 3 on Xandros is more bloated than Window Maker or Gnome 1.2. I use to run Red Hat 7.3 on a P200mmx system with 256megs of ram, 2meg vdeo card and that run fine in X once I got rid of all the Gnome stuff and Nautilus crap. I'd personally say a 2.2*-2.4* kernals are ideal for these systems for nostalgic an practical reasons. Most distros these days are for 686 or greater even 32 bit support is dropping on a few. So no they are not the same. Like NT 3.* and Windows 10 are not the same.

Wrt FreeDos you can get a floppy version. I use DCUs MSDos 7.1 that can be installed just off the first disk giving you an even leaner version compared to MS Dos 5 and 6* yet with fat32 support.

Of course we should consider the likes of older OS/2 and *nix variants.


2.2-2.4 is indeed the best Kernel for pre-2000 stuff, I ran Slackware 3.something on 486/Pentium hardware circa 97-98 and Redhat 5.2-6.0 on Pentium II/III hardware circa 98-2000. This was the time I was having to let go of OS/2 and wanted an alternative - I just refused to move to Windows. I basically almost completely skipped Windows 95, ran a bit of Windows 98 and Windows won me over with Windows 2000..

I would really appreciate a thread to discuss older Linux distros and what distro works best for which hardware, I think..
1989:A500|+512K|ACA500+|C1084S
1992:HIPPO-VL+|U5SX-33|8M|GD5428|CT2290|S2
1995:P5I430VX|P133|32M|S3T64+/MX2|V1|CT3980/32M
1998:S1573S|K6-2/400|64M|V2/SLI|CT4500/32M
2001:GA-6OXT|P3-1200|384M|GF4Ti4200|MX300
2004:K8VD|3700+|2G|X1950PRO|SB0350
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Re: Retro OSes for retro computers

Postby ArtiomWin » 2019-6-12 @ 21:01

Caluser2000 wrote:Thats pretty cool. Of course REAL hardware is the way to go :)

Well, I don't have lot of space for vintage hardware, but it's still interesting to look up at ancient software...
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Re: Retro OSes for retro computers

Postby Caluser2000 » 2019-6-12 @ 22:12

Makes sense. In emulation you can try out all sorts of software from a variety of platforms. I'm just with a lot of space and time on his hands.
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Re: Retro OSes for retro computers

Postby ArtiomWin » 2019-6-14 @ 20:58

Hello. Today/tonight post refers to where the topic started.
Last year, QNX 2.xx finally made it's way to Internet Archive, and now I would like to post here screens of it. Yes, that's not demo disk, but full version!
(here's version 2.15G)
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