With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

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With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby GiSWiG » 2018-12-24 @ 16:59

I know Far Cry has graphical issues beyond Windows XP. Games that don't support anything beyond DirectX 9.0 might benefit, however, many run fine under Windows 10.

What games do you recommend to stick with Windows XP for? Or even Vista (for fun)
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby leileilol » 2018-12-25 @ 01:05

Fallout 3
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby doaks80 » 2018-12-25 @ 04:30

leileilol wrote:Fallout 3


A game that came out in 2008? Why?
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby doaks80 » 2018-12-25 @ 04:31

GiSWiG wrote:I know Far Cry has graphical issues beyond Windows XP. Games that don't support anything beyond DirectX 9.0 might benefit, however, many run fine under Windows 10.

What games do you recommend to stick with Windows XP for? Or even Vista (for fun)


I also discovered today that FarCry has issues with multicores and you have to set affinity to 1 to get it to work.
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby doaks80 » 2018-12-25 @ 10:52

And does anyone know what will happen to an Offline Mode steam once that red alert bar goes down to "0 days until Steam stops working"? I am hoping so long as it stays offline, it will keep working. But it might just disable itself...thinking of setting the system clock back 10 years just in case.
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby Shagittarius » 2018-12-25 @ 10:56

It doesn't matter what you set the date to it will just start a countdown till it will refuse to run any games until you reconnect. I don't think there is a permanent solution if you're trying to only continue using steam without hacks/cracks.
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby oeuvre » 2018-12-25 @ 13:39

There's always SkiFree.
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby leileilol » 2018-12-25 @ 13:54

doaks80 wrote:
leileilol wrote:Fallout 3


A game that came out in 2008? Why?

"It just works" only supports XP and Vista. Fallout 3's right before Windows 7 and was never fixed for that officially.
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby doaks80 » 2018-12-25 @ 19:21

Shagittarius wrote:It doesn't matter what you set the date to it will just start a countdown till it will refuse to run any games until you reconnect. I don't think there is a permanent solution if you're trying to only continue using steam without hacks/cracks.


Sources? I have never heard of offline steam demanding to reconnect to run games.
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby Shagittarius » 2018-12-26 @ 01:19

Sources are personal experience and countless other people with the same experience. There is a whole thread on VOGONS of which this is a big part of the discussion: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=60670

However, like everyone who hasn't experienced this for themselves you will shortly if you remain in offline mode and think that will work in perpetuity.
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby oohms » 2018-12-26 @ 01:47

Steam is a garbage way of running older games.. if you own them, you're much better off sourcing the original disks/images instead
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby appiah4 » 2018-12-26 @ 04:52

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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby leileilol » 2018-12-26 @ 05:28

oohms wrote:Steam is a garbage way of running older games.. if you own them, you're much better off sourcing the original disks/images instead


Even the Starforce ones?
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby Istarian » 2018-12-27 @ 06:05

leileilol wrote:
doaks80 wrote:
leileilol wrote:Fallout 3


A game that came out in 2008? Why?

"It just works" only supports XP and Vista. Fallout 3's right before Windows 7 and was never fixed for that officially.


I think I've only ever played Fallout 3 in Windows+. Is there some problem with it?
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby RaVeN-05 » 2018-12-27 @ 09:16

Windows XP still excellent OS for Wide Range of Games
It can run probably 1993 games (i remember with VDMSound i can run DooM) to 2011 (probably more newer games too, i just remember i played Bulletstorm)

The good sides:
FCEUX can run in ddraw with bilinear filtering
DOSBox output image can be stretched to fill screen
Blair with projects games can use hardware acceleration with nVidia graphic , back ground bilinear filtered, and models too, native resolution,
many 3Dfx games works better on XP.
vDos if working for TombRaider and Redguard.
You can patch(hardly but possible) to run Chasm The Rift in NTVDM
You can use Rendition Verite V2200 (WinXP drivers somewhere exist on internet)
You can use PowerVR
You can use 3Dfx Voodoo 2 with community developed drivers.

32 bit games startup faster on XP.
And many more.

Personally i have 3 PC's with Windows 98 , Windows XP, Windows 7 to have ability to run everything XD
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby leileilol » 2018-12-28 @ 05:43

RaVeN-05 wrote:Windows XP still excellent OS for Wide Range of Games

The good sides:
many 3Dfx games works better on XP.
You can use PowerVR



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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby RaVeN-05 » 2018-12-28 @ 10:40

leileilol wrote:

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ya ya =) i know Windows 98 is the best for that
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby GiSWiG » 2018-12-29 @ 13:31

I found that Star Trek Starfleet Command on both Steam and GOG do not mention Windows 10 as compatible but do state XP, Vista, 7 and 8. Steam explicitly says so.

doaks80 wrote:I also discovered today that FarCry has issues with multicores and you have to set affinity to 1 to get it to work.


I'll have to try that. I'm using dual Radeon 6850s in Crossfire and at the beginning throughout the jungle I average a good deal over 100 FPS, hitting 200 in many places at 2560x1080. Even after lowering quality, resolution and trying a single card, it goes to below 20. Stepping out of the shack and viewing the large view of the camp across the water, it goes back up. Quite odd.

P.S. never really played the Far Cry series yet.

doaks80 wrote:And does anyone know what will happen to an Offline Mode steam once that red alert bar goes down to "0 days until Steam stops working"? I am hoping so long as it stays offline, it will keep working. But it might just disable itself...thinking of setting the system clock back 10 years just in case.


I have doubts that the system clock trick will work. You can still copy games from your modern PC's Steam folder that don't require Steam to be running. Be sure to run at least once to get any required files such as DX9 or Visual C redists. Source ports might help with others.

oeuvre wrote:There's always SkiFree.


and Minesweeper!

oohms wrote:Steam is a garbage way of running older games.. if you own them, you're much better off sourcing the original disks/images instead

I've found many cheap games at thrift shops. The nearby library clearances out games for 10 cents each four times a year. I snagged about 40 including Warcraft games, Tomb Raider games, several SIMs, Carmen San Diego (at wife's request) Myst 1 through 4, King's Quest 5 and some version of Oregon Trail. All CD copies, no floppies unfortunately.

RaVeN-05 wrote:Personally i have 3 PC's with Windows 98 , Windows XP, Windows 7 to have ability to run everything XD

Only 3? Hehe

I hope to soon finish my Voodoo 3, SB32, unlocked P2 soon for DOS and Win98, I've got an extreme Win98 PC and an extreme WinXP
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Re: With Steam dropping Windows XP/Vista, what games benefit from staying on XP?

Postby Shagittarius » 2018-12-30 @ 19:25

RaVeN-05 wrote:i don't need more =)


I feel the same way, DOSBOX is fantastic and actually probably better than a real Dos machine so you really don't need more than you list. I have the same setup as you except My current machine is running Windows 10, and I also have 2 dos machines, which are not neccessary but I love, a P90 and an IBM 5170.
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