Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

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Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby varrol » 2019-3-13 @ 11:58

Hey, this is my first post here :)

Screamer 2 was always one of my favourite games - I remember playing it when I had Pentium 120MHz with 64MB of RAM in the middle of 90's. There are 4 modes - low res - low color, hi res - low color, low res high color and hi res high color. Back then I remeber playing hi res - low color with no problems.

My current setup for it is: Asus P5A, Pentium 200MMX, 256MB RAM, GF 2 MX400, ISA ESS 1869 (but playing with no sound now)
Running boot into DOS from Windows 98 with extended memory option

And now hi res - low color is unplayable - quite low fps.

I've tried also windows game Sega Rally Championship - despite low requirements, it's also pretty slow.

I checked on AMD K6-2 350MHz and was fine, even able to run Screamer 2 in high res - high color (FPS not great though) -> so CPU does make a difference.

Unfortunately I don't have much time to play with my old computer stuff, so want to narrow down what to check - do you have any suggestions? I'm thinking of running benchmarks and compare to similar machines + remove all no used pci/isa cards.
Asus P5A | P55C 200MMX | 256MB | GF2MX400 | CT4750
AOpen AX6B+ | P3 1GHz@750Mhz slot1 | 1GB ECC REG | FX5200 | CT4810
Not plugged: K6 II 350MHz, P54C 120Mhz, TNT, TNT2 64, S3 Virge DX, CT4760, ESS1869
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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby collector » 2019-3-13 @ 13:31

Wrong forum. This forum is for DOS games on modern systems. Ask old hardware and driver/configuration questions in Marvin. viewforum.php?f=60
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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby rasz_pl » 2019-3-13 @ 19:25

meljor wrote:ALI Aladdin V revision D and E

With 512 kB Level 2 Cache, 128 MB are cacheable
With 1024 kB Level 2 Cache, 128 MB are cacheable

ALI Aladdin V revision G

With 512 kB Level 2 Cache, 512 MB are cacheable
With 1024 kB Level 2 Cache, 4096 MB are cacheable


+ try univbe for the gf2mx
from memory screamer hires modes ran acceptably around 1GHz cpu, maybe you remember playing 3dfx version?
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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby leileilol » 2019-3-14 @ 01:35

rasz_pl wrote: try univbe for the gf2mx

That wouldn't do much. Univbe's only practical for hardware before 1998 and are full of specific drivers meant for them.
by the way, DOSBox is not for running Windows 9x
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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby rasz_pl » 2019-3-14 @ 02:00

last release is from 2002 and apparently did support gf2, varrol might also try nolfb
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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby Falcosoft » 2019-3-14 @ 08:41

rasz_pl wrote:last release is from 2002 and apparently did support gf2, varrol might also try nolfb

1.Yet, UNIVBE is still absolutely pointless for a GF2. UniVBE was meant for SVGA cards that implemented SVGA resolutions (640x480, 800x600, 1024x768) in a non-standard way (partly because no standards existed) and/or had no integrated VESA 2.0 Bios extensions. Neither is true for a GF2. There is no GF2 that lacks Vesa 2.0 and linear frame buffer support (the key component to get speed gain from using UNIVBE).
2. Utilities like NoLFB are compatibility fixes that mask/modify some reported features, and never were intended as performance enhancing tools. Specifically NoLFB's main purpose is to disable reporting linear frame buffer support (that is the faster option, but not supported by NT kernel) so that VESA 2.0 DOS programs can run under XP by using banked frame buffer modes (that are always slower).

You can try to run it under Win9x instead. Some cards use a lower Bootup GPU/MEM clock until Windows drivers are loaded so it may sound no so intuitive at first, but you can get better DOS performance under Win9x than under pure DOS with some cards.
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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby rasz_pl » 2019-3-14 @ 18:56

Falcosoft wrote:
rasz_pl wrote:last release is from 2002 and apparently did support gf2, varrol might also try nolfb

1.Yet, UNIVBE is still absolutely pointless for a GF2. UniVBE was meant for SVGA cards that implemented SVGA resolutions (640x480, 800x600, 1024x768) in a non-standard way (partly because no standards existed) and/or had no integrated VESA 2.0 Bios extensions. Neither is true for a GF2. There is no GF2 that lacks Vesa 2.0 and linear frame buffer support (the key component to get speed gain from using UNIVBE).
2. Utilities like NoLFB are compatibility fixes that mask/modify some reported features, and never were intended as performance enhancing tools. Specifically NoLFB's main purpose is to disable reporting linear frame buffer support (that is the faster option, but not supported by NT kernel) so that VESA 2.0 DOS programs can run under XP by using banked frame buffer modes (that are always slower).


yes, that was the reason for me proposing univbe - to try disabling features, limiting card to vesa 1.2 etc

Falcosoft wrote:You can try to run it under Win9x instead. Some cards use a lower Bootup GPU/MEM clock until Windows drivers are loaded so it may sound no so intuitive at first, but you can get better DOS performance under Win9x than under pure DOS with some cards.


too early, nvidia had no dynamic clocks until afaik FX (ram only) on desktop and gf4 on mobile
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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby clueless1 » 2019-3-14 @ 20:59

I bet you are remembering with nostalgia lenses. Back then slow was <10fps in my mind because I never felt >30fps.

On a Pentium 200, there's no way this game plays smoothly in SVGA unless you are using a Voodoo for 3d acceleration.
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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby appiah4 » 2019-3-15 @ 04:31

I cant get this game to play in 640x486 on my P133 without the Voodoo addon, the performance is unplayable. You are remembering, you probably played at VGA.

A youtube video: https://youtu.be/2fM9OfB4Jvk Go to 17:08 to see it running like SHIT on an early PII.
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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby Stiletto » 2019-3-15 @ 16:54

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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby varrol » 2019-3-15 @ 23:27

Amazing how demanding this game was at that time - it may be true that my memory is not correct - or I accepted lower fps back then. For sure my 15" CRT screen was better to see it than my current 17" LCD. On AMD K6-2 350MHz though its pretty good - and at least runs in highest settings (on 200MMX won't even start).
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Re: Screamer 2 - low FPS on Pentium 200MMX

Postby realnc » 2019-3-19 @ 08:32

AFAICT, the non-3DFX version of this game is capped to 25FPS, regardless of how fast your PC is.
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