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First post, by debs3759

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Adobe Flash will not be supported in modern browsers after December, and will no longer work. While working on the gpuzoo.com website, a lot of older sites that are now only available in the Wayback Machine used Flash, and I need to still have access to it. Can anyone recommend an old browser which has Flash built in and will continue to support it? Needs, ideally, to work in Windows 10, as I work on it on my daily PC, but Windows 7 support will be OK too. Don't really want to have to do this work on one of my older (XP) systems if I can avoid it, but if I have to I'll set up a dual boot on a socket 775 system. Ideally a browser that is only 10 years old, so it will support other features that are that modern.

Reply 1 of 6, by DosFreak

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The built-in Flash will be disabled/removed from browsers after Dec...and it should never have been included in the first place. The plugin will still work.

You can install the flash plugin on: IE, Edge, FireFox, Chrome and Opera, Safari
Supposedly the plugin works in IE Mode in the new edge as well.

https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/en … nd-of-life.html
https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/dev … admin_guide.pdf (Page 28)

When the current browsers change enough where the plugin doesn't work then you'll need to use an old browser. Ideally the Internet Archive would setup a proxy so that content could be viewed when that happens.

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Reply 2 of 6, by Jorpho

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If Flash could be "built in" to a browser, then that would mean someone would have re-implemented Flash entirely. That never happened. (Gnash is a thing, but sadly it never really took off, and recent developments do not seem to have sparked new interest.)

debs3759 wrote on 2020-11-18, 23:37:

Don't really want to have to do this work on one of my older (XP) systems if I can avoid it, but if I have to I'll set up a dual boot on a socket 775 system.

Why not just set up a virtual machine with VMware or VirtualBox?

Reply 3 of 6, by debs3759

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I just need a way to view web pages that use flash to provide links after flash is discontinued. Without it, my website will never have the full range of all graphics cards. Never really liked flash, but so many sites used it for years 🙁

Reply 4 of 6, by Jorpho

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Isn't the Internet Archive already taking steps to ensure that old archived Flash content will still run under modern browsers? You can't possibly be the only one with such concerns, after all.

I just saw a tweet about https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_flash which will apparently keep running after Flash is discontinued.

/EDIT https://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-ani … ternet-archive/

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Reply 5 of 6, by debs3759

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Jorpho wrote on 2020-11-19, 20:58:

Isn't the Internet Archive already taking steps to ensure that old archived Flash content will still run under modern browsers? You can't possibly be the only one with such concerns, after all.

I just saw a tweet about https://archive.org/details/softwarelibrary_flash which will apparently keep running after Flash is discontinued.

I didn't know that, thanks. Does that just apply to apps on that page, or to all sites they have archived? A lot of sites seem to have links that can only be accessed if the flash extension in whatever browser is being used is active.

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debs3759 wrote on 2020-11-19, 21:25:

Does that just apply to apps on that page, or to all sites they have archived? A lot of sites seem to have links that can only be accessed if the flash extension in whatever browser is being used is active.

That is a good question. I assume that ideally they would want to make all the sites they have archived accessible. But I had the impression that it was rather hit-or-miss in general whether binary data like .swf files is archived for any given site.

ETA: The blog says that they're using something called "Ruffle".
http://blog.archive.org/2020/11/19/flash-anim … ternet-archive/